Evolution: World science academies fight back against creationists

PhysOrg.com ^ | 21 June 2006 | Staff

[Ready2go]

"If any of my dead relatives came knocking on my door, I would instantly become a hard core true believer"

Howdy Dumpster Baby;

This is just one man's testimony of what happened to him in a NDE...there are thousands of other testimonies from folks that have gotten a tiny glimpse of eternity.

Just follow the links:

Saved From Hell
Rev. Howard Storm's near-death experience

Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it.

He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else.

On June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was forever changed.

His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented.

His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience that he resigned as a professor and devoted his time to attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister.

The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience, which is an excerpt from his book, My Descent Into Death, reprinted by permission.

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

[jwalsh07]

Pure nonsense.

Well then the next question should be easy for a man of your talents.

Here's the proposition:

Life on Earth arose from inorganic matter.

How can that be falsified?

[js1138]

Life on Earth arose from inorganic matter.

Are you suggesting that scientists believe the first living things contained no carbon?

[jwalsh07]

Not my intent.

Let's try this proposition.

Life on Earth arose from non-living matter.

Much broader in scope.

How would that proposition be falsified?

[jwalsh07]

And FWIW, the term inorganic does not exclude carbon but I got your drift.

[js1138]

Define non-living.

[jwalsh07]

Come on now, I was nice enough the first time. Your suggestion that carbon was excluded from inorganic matter was wrong. I overlooked it in the interest of finding a test that falsifies abiogenesis as the source of life on Earth.

But I'll be a nice guy. You can define life as the consensus criteria cited by most scientists. Non life will be defined as matter not satisfying all those criteria. The criteria is yours to choose.

You claimed my claim is nonsense. Unless I see some attempt to falsify the proposition it will be evident who is steeped in nonsense.

[OmahaFields]

Life on Earth arose from non-living matter. Much broader in scope. How would that proposition be falsified?

By showing that life on earth had origins from outer space, you know, like aliens landed here.

[jwalsh07]

You got pictures?

[OmahaFields]

What has God done that is bad or ugly?

[OmahaFields]

Thank you for retracting your claim.

[jwalsh07]

LOL. Since you have no pictures you must have a test for the aliens. I'm very interested in that test but I'm even more interested in how you prove that life didn't come from non-life on Earth 4 billion years ago. I suppose if you hired enough illegal aliens and sent them through a time warp they could watch every nook and cranny of early Earth but man that's a lot of illegal aliens.

[OmahaFields]

LOL. Since you have no pictures you must have a test for the aliens. I'm very interested in that test but I'm even more interested in how you prove that life didn't come from non-life on Earth 4 billion years ago. I suppose if you hired enough illegal aliens and sent them through a time warp they could watch every nook and cranny of early Earth but man that's a lot of illegal aliens.

Nice duck. You chastised us for not stating how the hypothesis could be falsified and I told you how. Please admit your error.

[jwalsh07]

You told me nothing. The conjecture is unfalsifiable. To falsify the proposition that life came from non-life Omahafields would have to have observed every chemical reaction in the universe since t=0+. Your attempt at falsification simply widened the field. I'll leave that for you as an exercise to figure out why.

When you do, I'll expect you to return....

Humbly.

[jwalsh07]

Oh yeah, you'll need more illegal aliens, the universe is a big place and 15 billion years is a lot of ground to cover.

[OmahaFields]

I see what you are saying but what does that have to do with the theory of evolution?

[driftdiver]

ok and?

[jwalsh07]

Nothing, I never mentioned the ToE. The article above states the proposition I offered as more than conjecture, it offered it as fact. That's how this line of friendly banter got started. Scientists castigating creationists for not doing good science doing bad science.

I see humor in stuff like that and so I like to point it out so others can join me in a chuckle.

[Joan Kerrey]

theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied or confused with theories not testable by science," the declaration said.

Hey guys, let me know who wins after you hash all this stuff out.

[OmahaFields]

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