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PM to get two 'Blair Force Ones'
BBC ^ | Tuesday, 20 June 2006, 15:06 GMT 16:06 UK | Staff

Posted on 06/20/2006 2:18:36 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Queen are to get two dedicated planes to use on official trips, the BBC has learned.

One is likely to be a long-haul plane with 70 seats, while a 15-seater jet will be ordered for shorter flights, BBC correspondent James Hardy says.

Since 1944 US presidents have had their own plane for presidential travel.

Although the Queen will have first call on the aircraft, they are already being dubbed "Blair Force Ones". The Lib Dems and Tories have criticised the plan.

The decision to order the two aircraft follows a study into the costs of ministerial travel by businessman and government spending adviser Sir Peter Gershon.

The planes will not be bought outright, but taken on a long lease and are unlikely to come into service until late 2007 at the earliest - by which time some think Mr Blair may have stepped down as PM.

VIP area

They are expected to cost around £12.3m a year - about £2.7m more than the current arrangement.

The flights are likely to be paid for by those who use them, like Number 10, the Ministry of Defence and the Royal Family - a similar arrangement to chartering and not just fuel and staffing costs.

The long-haul plane, which is likely to be wide-bodied, with a separate VIP area and kitted out for modern communications, will be used in place of the British Airways 777 currently chartered by Downing Street.

Shadow transport secretary Chris Grayling told BBC News 24 it was "the wrong moment to be splashing out taxpayers' money on funding the government to travel in style".

He added that if he became transport secretary, he would use Eurostar to get to places like Brussels, rather than take a plane.

Anger over US planes

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell questioned whether the aircraft represented "good value for the British taxpayer".

"We are entitled to ask what the prime minister intends to do to reduce the environmental impact of his travel," he said.

But Labour replied that all Mr Blair's flights had been "carbon neutral" since April 2005.

There was also criticism over speculation that at least one of the aircraft is likely to be from US-built Boeing.

A spokesman for the Transport and General Workers Union, said it was "extraordinary that the prime minister should not be flying in a British-built plane".

"This sends a further negative message about the future of manufacturing."

Call sign

A spokesman for the GMB union added: "GMB members who work in the aircraft industry will be dismayed that the government is preferring to buy an American aircraft rather than one built by a UK manufacturer."

US presidents have had their own planes since 1944 when Franklin Roosevelt started using the "Sacred Cow".

In 1962, the first jet aircraft, a Boeing 707, was purchased for use and President Bush now uses two specifically-configured Boeing 747-200B planes.

They are commonly known as "Air Force One" because that is the call sign used when he is on board either plane, or any other Air Force aircraft.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; boeing; thequeen
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It sends totally the wrong message for ministers to be spending millions of pounds of taxpayers' money on two new, official planes at a time when jobs are being cut in the NHS

Chris Grayling
Shadow transport secretary

1 posted on 06/20/2006 2:18:38 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...

Mr Blair currently uses charter
planes and the Queen's Flight

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail.

2 posted on 06/20/2006 2:20:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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But Labour replied that all Mr Blair's flights had been "carbon neutral" since April 2005.

Huh? They should fly a kite instead.

3 posted on 06/20/2006 2:22:39 PM PDT by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yeah, carbon neutral aircraft.....

Do they plant 200 trees for every trip he takes?


4 posted on 06/20/2006 2:22:42 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Paleo Conservative
British Prime Ministers are fortunate that the British public and media don't begrudge 10 Downing Street for having electricity and indoor plumbing.

This will be as well received as describing a kilt as a skirt.

5 posted on 06/20/2006 2:24:45 PM PDT by Energy Alley ("War on Christians" = just another professional victim group.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
It sends totally the wrong message for ministers to be spending millions of pounds of taxpayers' money on two new, official planes at a time when jobs are being cut in the NHS

Then Recycle


6 posted on 06/20/2006 2:24:50 PM PDT by llevrok (The next "greatest generation" is now.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

You know, when he flew commercial last week, all kinds of folks had fits.


7 posted on 06/20/2006 2:25:14 PM PDT by patton (What the heck just happened, here?)
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To: Paleo Conservative
We are entitled to ask what the prime minister intends to do to reduce the environmental impact of his travel," he said

That's easy. He's PM. He just buys carbon credits.

8 posted on 06/20/2006 2:25:28 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: llevrok

The Comet, right?


9 posted on 06/20/2006 2:34:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

But Labour replied that all Mr Blair's flights had been "carbon neutral" since April 2005.

Thanks to the environ'mental' global warming tards like Al Gore, we are going to have to hear about this "carbon footprint" crap for many years to come.


10 posted on 06/20/2006 2:48:13 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: freedumb2003; llevrok
I always have a soft spot for a DeHavilland.


11 posted on 06/20/2006 2:59:28 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

That took me a few seconds to figure out LOL!


12 posted on 06/20/2006 3:25:41 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

<< A spokesman for the Transport and General Workers Union, said it was "extraordinary that the prime minister should not be flying in a British-built 'plane." >>

It would be even more extraordinary if he was.

Given that generations of Britain's mobbed-up bloody unions and their gangsters-as-politician Labour Party cohorts [And, beginning with the well-known habitual drunkard and Whittle jet engine "donating" Winston Churchill, plenty of "Conservatives," too] have work-ruled and regulated once great Britain's once truly great Aircraft [And every other!] Industry completely out of existence!

Or, as anyone who regularly deals with them can attest, is it any wonder so many of Boeing's, Pratt and Whitney's and GE's et al's very best designers and engineers have British accents?


13 posted on 06/20/2006 3:37:34 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: llevrok

Great picture - Great Aeroplane!

And, these almost 60 years on, as the Royal Air Force's Nimrod, still flying every day.

Per Ardua ad Astra!


14 posted on 06/20/2006 3:42:03 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Right, right. When he heads towards the States, he should be taking a merchant ship. When he arrives here, a Greyhound to get to the White House.

Not a big carbon footprint. Just looks like a cheap ass.


15 posted on 06/20/2006 3:44:03 PM PDT by toddlintown
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To: toddlintown

Every liberal and socialist politician should be required to travel by sailing ship when crossing water and by hot-air balloon or donkey-cart when crossing land. If these means of transport are too slow and unreliable, at least they can feel they are "carbon-neutral" more or less...... and if travel then becomes so inconvenient that none of them want to go anywhere, so much the better!!


16 posted on 06/20/2006 4:32:23 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
In 1962, the first jet aircraft, a Boeing 707, was purchased for use and President Bush now uses two specifically-configured Boeing 747-200B planes.

The planes are a necessity these days. Aren't they considered the "flying White House", decked out with a unique communication configuration, added armament, etc, etc. Not only Air Force 1, but Air Force 2 and all the 757 derivatives designed for Congress. It's not a luxury, it is a necessity even for socialist world leaders like the British.

Better to buy than lease, and who builds better planes than the U.S.?

17 posted on 06/20/2006 5:00:47 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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To: Enchante

LOL!


18 posted on 06/20/2006 5:01:42 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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To: Larry Lucido
I always have a soft spot for a DeHavilland.

I had a hard spot for Rita, myself.


19 posted on 06/20/2006 5:41:57 PM PDT by llevrok (The next "greatest generation" is now.)
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To: Brian Allen; SW6906

I'll resist the urge to respond to your amazingly stupid slur on Sir Winston and merely metion that I believe that it was the post-war Atlee-let, Labor government that sent the engine to Comrade Stalin.


20 posted on 06/20/2006 5:56:09 PM PDT by namsman
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