Ya buncha Evol-Doers.
Posted on 06/19/2006 7:08:06 PM PDT by Marius3188
ANN ARBOR, Mich.—The earliest known hominid fossil, which dates to about 7 million years ago, is actually some kind of ape, according to an international team of researchers led by the University of Michigan. The finding, they say, suggests scientists should rethink whether we actually descended from apes resembling chimpanzees, which are considered our closest relatives.
U-M anthropologist Milford Wolpoff and colleagues examined images and the original paper published on the discovery of the Toumaï cranium (TM 266) or Sahelanthropus tchadensis, as well as a computer reconstruction of the skull. Two other colleagues were actually able to examine the skull, Wolpoff said, in addition to the images and the computer reconstruction.
The research team concluded that the cranium did not sit atop the spine but in front of it, indicating the creature walked on all fours like an ape. Hominids, he said, are distinguished from all other primates by walking upright. Hominids are everything on the line leading to humans after divergence with chimpanzees. Upright bipedalism is the single best way of identifying which fossils are hominids.
Researchers also examined the canine teeth and found that they were not clearly human or ape-like, but rather like most other canine fossils from the Miocene era.
"Whether or not it's a human ancestor is probably unimportant as far as the skull is concerned," Wolpoff said. "But it's very important in trying to understand where humans come from. It's the first relative we've had of the earliest hominid, or something related to it, but it's not a hominid at all."
Nor does the skull resemble a living chimpanzee—no fossil records of chimpanzees exist so it's impossible to compare to earlier descendents, Wolpff said. Genetic data puts the divergence of chimpanzees and humans at anywhere from 4 to 6 million years ago. Even though it's not a definite date, it makes it difficult to show a 7-million-year-old fossil is a hominid without overwhelming evidence, he said.
"The big message it sends us is our ancestors never looked like a chimpanzee," Wolpoff said. "This thing is clearly saying that chimpanzees are just as different from this ancestor as we are. They are just different in a different way."
Wolpoff said the skull could be a common ancestor of humans and living chimps.
"Now we have insight into what an early ape looked like, but we have no fossils of apes after it, so you can't tell clearly," he said.
Colleagues include John Hawks, Department of Anthropology of the University of Wisconsin, Madison; Brigitte Senut, Department Histoire de la Terre, Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle, Paleontology; Martin Pickford, chair of Paleoanthropologie et de Prehistoire, College de France; and James Ahern, Department of Anthropology, University of Wyoming, Laramie.
"Two people have seen it. We've all have seen pictures and read publications,"Wolpoff said. "It took us a long time to put this together because we wanted to make sure we were absolutely accurate."
Wolpoff expects that the paper, entitled "Ape or the Ape: Is the Toumai Cranium TM 266 a Hominid?" will be controversial. It was published Friday in a new online journal by the Paleoanthropology Society, http://www.paleoanthro.org/journal/contents.htm.
"I think some people are going to like it, and some people are going to hate it, but it will stimulate more discussion, which is important," Wolpoff said.
For information on Wolpoff, visit: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wolpoff/.
For more on the Department of Anthropology at U-M, visit: http://www.lsa.umich.edu/anthro/.
I think that guy looks like a chimp.
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This thread will probably end up entirely ruined, but I thought you might be interested in looking up the article referenced later.
Wolpoff said the skull could be a common ancestor of humans and living chimps.
This is pretty important. The time period roughly 6-10 million years ago has few fossils because apes and the rest were all living in forests, which are very poor at creating fossils.
The correct placement of this specimen as a common ancestor of humans and living chimps is an important reinterpretation.
Wolpoff is one of the most experienced old fossil guys out there. He's been at this for years, so its good to have somebody with his experience and knowledge taking a close look at this fossil specimen.
These researchers will be roundly criticized by the practitioners of the religion of Darwinism for daring to speak the truth.
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Read the original article. It is interesting!
These are some of the best researchers in the business, and this is important research.
If you read it, you won't easily wave it away with some inane quip, as we often see on these threads.
I didn't write it! I'm not responsible for the format.
Don't you have Adobe Acrobat? You should be able to download a copy of Adobe Acrobat reader from Adobe.com, and then read all of those files.
This is an important paper, very carefully done. It places an old fossil, which for some reason is not very accessible, in a more believable interpretation.
Thanks Annie.
I have Adobe Acrobat, but my computer freezes up sometimes when trying to open PDFs. I think it's succumbing to entropy. *Wink*
My comments were directed to the thoroughness of this paper and the scientific standing of its primary author. He has taken a fossil that was somewhat ambiguous and figured out where it more likely lies in the scheme of things. That is a valuable thing to do. I was not attempting to demean you at all in this thread, as you have done nothing to deserve it (but the thread's still young!).
My point was that Walpoff seems to have straightened out a very confusing find in a very difficult time period. I find his explanation, and his evidence, credible, and I have some training in the field.
If your system is freezing up, perhaps more memory or some other slight upgrade might help? Perhaps a system upgrade would do it. (I use Macs, so I don't know a thing about most other folks' problems.)
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