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Hooray for the Death Tax!
Townhall ^ | 6/9/2006 | Larry Kudlow

Posted on 06/09/2006 6:30:26 PM PDT by wjersey

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21 posted on 06/09/2006 8:03:09 PM PDT by groanup (Shred For Ian)
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To: wjersey

Something tells me that Larry's being facetious...


22 posted on 06/09/2006 8:07:45 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: proxy_user

The people MOST affected by the DEATH Tax ARE those whose fortunes are EARNED....they are the NEW wealthy who don't have enough money to protect it in Foundations....instead it's in their businesses, houses, etc. The Kennedy's, Rockefellers, Gates, and Buffets won't be paying any (or at least hardly any) estate tax.....think about it. Same probably goes for the Hollywood rich....they hire accountants, etc. in order to hide their money for tax reasons. Educate yourself.....before you mouth off, okay?


23 posted on 06/09/2006 8:13:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: wjersey

The first job I had at 15 years old was given to me by a millionaire. The second job I had at 16 years old was given to me by a millionaire. As a matter of fact all the jobs I have ever had have been given to me by millionaires with the exception of my last job. It was given to me by a multi trillionaire, the United States Government. Rich people have been very good to me. Poor people have done nothing for me and they have done nothing for other poor people. Do not save the whales, save the millionaire he may save your a$$ when you need a job.


24 posted on 06/09/2006 8:15:01 PM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: A CA Guy
Trusts get hard to set up when you have several families working the same farm, they may all be related but on paper it like leaving the business to your business partner.
25 posted on 06/09/2006 8:16:04 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: proxy_user

this shure blows it on bill gates.


26 posted on 06/09/2006 8:17:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: cpdiii

LOL...I'm working with the Chair of the Committee to Abolish the Washington State Estate Tax right now....some lady called in the other day asking about the Estate Tax....she had an agenda...."Rich people should pay.ladedada"....I tried explaining how "rich" are those who provide jobs, have businesses, etc....but she was a one-note singer...so I suggested maybe she'd like to move to Russia....she hung up on me.


27 posted on 06/09/2006 8:17:43 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: Beagle8U

I agree, and as you get more and more heirs looking at smaller pieces of the pie, eventually enough of the heirs force a sale and the farm goes bye bye that way as well.

We can't force the family farm to stay together forever.
We can't stop heirs from wanting to cash out either.


28 posted on 06/09/2006 8:19:15 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: cpdiii
Poor people have done nothing for me and they have done nothing for other poor people.

They picked your lettuce, they mopped the toilets where you have been, they rang up your groceries, they waited on your tables... ayup they done nothin.

The rich and poor have this alike: they die the same death.

29 posted on 06/09/2006 8:19:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: wjersey

the biggest class warrior is Larry "open borders" Kudlow.

Anything that lowers the wages of the average American and puts money in HIS pocket wins his support.

Sorry Larry, we don't don't care that you have to pay an estate tax on your millions. Why not move to Mexico?


30 posted on 06/09/2006 8:20:11 PM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Beagle8U

Can't even reserve it for when a going concern is liquidated for reasons other than taxes.


31 posted on 06/09/2006 8:21:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: wjersey
I just saw Jeff Birnbaum, a total fool that somehow gets paid by Fortune magazine (I think) on a CSPAN call in show actually say about the "estate" tax (liberal euphemism), "well, I never have met anyone that didn't try to create wealth because of the estate tax".

HUH?

That's like saying, "I never met a bank robber that didn't try to create wealth by worrying about going to jail". This guy is a typical left wing IDIOT!

He can't make an actual point as to why taxing already taxed money upon your death is a good idea so he spews forth non-sequiters and ridiculous analogies.

I hate liberals. I hope they all die painfully.
32 posted on 06/09/2006 8:26:38 PM PDT by Fledermaus (If we are now supposed to be "compassionate conservatives", why aren't their any "smart liberals"?)
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To: wjersey

It is a lie that only people with estates worth $2 million are affected by the death tax. EVERYONE who gives a gift with a monatary value is affected. THAT is the primary value of the death tax to the government. It's another way to keep tabs on what the plebs are up to.


33 posted on 06/09/2006 8:28:37 PM PDT by DManA
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To: rcocean

You are obviously ignorant of what the Estate Tax is and who REALLY pays it...


34 posted on 06/09/2006 8:34:12 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: A CA Guy
"We can't force the family farm to stay together forever.
We can't stop heirs from wanting to cash out either."

I'm just taking about keeping the Government from taxing it to force the sale.

A small farm that supports 2 families, father and his son.

They own 600 acres and rent another 600 to farm.

One million in equipment and another two million in land and livestock etc.

Each work the farm and eek out about 60k net a year. The old man dies and now the kid is going to have to come up with the taxes on 2 million?

Its a pile of crap to tax anything on that IMHO.
35 posted on 06/09/2006 8:35:10 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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Actually, IMO they should direct a great portion of the death tax back at paying back the National Debt.

If you really feel that way, why not have the government take 100 percent of the estate? That would really help get that debt under control, and think of the creative ways the surplus could be wasted after it's paid off!

I don't know who here can call themselves conservatives if they are unwilling to pay that bill, or at least try to with money after their death when they wouldn't need it.

I can call myself a conservative -- I pay my debt every paycheck through withholding. As for my "need" of my money after death, I can probably think of a million uses better than letting the government waste it.

How many believe in responsibility here in paying their tab and how many believe they should run away from the bill like the liberal hearted slugs they are?

I'm sure most people reading and posting on Free Republic don't have an issue with paying their fair share, as long as it doesn't get thrown into a black hole of government waste.

I'd love to be free to spend my money as I see fit, not surrender a percentage to the government a hundred times a day through every financial transaction or phone call I make, or every time I drink a glass of water or flick a light switch.

36 posted on 06/09/2006 8:39:37 PM PDT by FoxInSocks
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To: Beagle8U

That would be the perfect example of the kid's old man not having the smarts to have transfered title to a trust long ago.

Things left in your name are taxable, things not yours are separate.

There are things with a good estate lawyer long ago that they could have done to avoid the sale and tax IMO.

They can't make exception laws outright regarding farming in estate tax because then you would see all these false farms popping up to pass wealth.

If they were on the ball, I think they could have already been tweaking more money in their pocket by depreciating trees and so forth.

There are ways to avoid more taxes legally, but the owners of the farm can't be coy in not getting things done and then just die.

Right now there is a 2 million deduction that goes up several more million and ends after 2009, so the best planning for someone who won't put things in a trust would be to know when to have the good sense to die! :(


37 posted on 06/09/2006 8:42:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
They picked your lettuce, they mopped the toilets where you have been, they rang up your groceries, they waited on your tables... ayup they done nothin.

My friend I have done that also. I did it for minimum wage. I do not work for minimum wage any more. It was not lettuce but sugar cane, a drilling rig, and tug boats. All those jobs were given to me by millionaires and I was grateful to have them. I am now in the top bracket of income tax and am very glad those millionaires gave me those minimum wage jobs. I did those jobs for me not as a service to someone else. Hard work is okay even at minimum wage if you have the desire to succeed and prosper.

38 posted on 06/09/2006 8:44:58 PM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: FoxInSocks
The estate tax will be seeing about a third of all private wealth go by it, that should be enough to tax for the bill left behind by them.

The government used it for wars, farms, roads, SS and so on. I agree they are the pits in spending, but this is our bill.

I would want future spending limits while they pay the debt off.

I don't want to see our grand kids and great grand kids cursing us for massive debt FoxInSocks, that is my inspiration in wanting the debt paid.

I think some kind of spending restriction laws need to be in place so they don't take it in and spend it out.
39 posted on 06/09/2006 8:48:36 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: cpdiii
I did those jobs for me not as a service to someone else.

So you paid you?

Oh no, that's not what you said, the millionaires paid you.

But, even if so (it's possible to own a business and NOT be a millionaire) who paid the millionaires? If nobody paid the millionaires to channel the money from YOU to these poor menials for those things, you can rest assured the millionaires wouldn't donate their own funds, and you'd be without lettuce, clean toilets, waited tables, rung groceries (someone has to watch even the self checkout lanes). They're not stupid with money, that's how they are millionaires.

40 posted on 06/09/2006 8:48:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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