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Bush Shuns Republicans' Stand to Return Illegals(W still doesn't get it!)
The Washington Times ^ | June 2, 2006 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 06/02/2006 3:46:47 PM PDT by kellynla

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To: kellynla
W still doesn't get it!

Umm, that's because, for the most part, Bush is not a particularly good President.

With Bush we don't have to worry about every judicial nominee, every government appointee, every deal struck with other nations, etc, etc, etc. Basically, we know Bush isn't some lefty nutcase. That alone makes him better than pretty much any Democrat (with the exception of your Zell Miller type Democrats). Example - Bush says NO THANKS to Kyoto. No Democrat would have done such a thing.

Problem is, as a Republican he simply isn't particularly conservative and, all things considered, a pretty poor President (in my opinion). His biggest flaw of all - this President simply cannot communicate coherently with the public. We are basically left with no right of center leader who can keep us in the game. We are being eaten alive by the mainstream media and a leftwing that, while rudderless, finds Bush a largely inept and hapless target.

Add to that this "Islamic democracy" project which I, and many other conservatives, opposed from the beginning and well..... Does anyone actually really believe Islam is a "religion of peace". How do you take anyone who repeatedly says this sort all that seriously?

41 posted on 06/02/2006 4:14:32 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: lonestar67

Assimilation must include the desires of those who would enter this country, don't you think? When did the Irish, Germans, or the many other people coming to this country demand that we change our culture to be as they wish? All of these cultures have been allowed to maintain their identity, as long as they bought in to the "American" culture, and learned out language.

I recall no "reconquista" movement by the Germans or anyone else.


42 posted on 06/02/2006 4:15:41 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: kellynla
President Bush yesterday rejected House Republicans' stance that illegal aliens must return home, calling it "wrong and unrealistic" and saying many will have to be allowed to stay.

GW purposely left the borders open for 5 years just so he could one day say that. To try and present honest Americans with a fait accompli. Bush's open borders policy has been 100% dishonest. Include most of the other hacks in DC. Include vile internationalist Senators such as Spector, McCain and Hagel. Democrat Senators are worse. They kept their mouths shut while they voted for the GW immigration amnesty more than Republicans

43 posted on 06/02/2006 4:16:39 PM PDT by dennisw (We should return to calling them Muhammadans -- Worshippers of Muhammad and maybe Allah)
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To: puppypusher
G.W. is shunning the Republican House approach on criminal aliens

Recall that GW had harsher criticism of the American citizen MinuteMen -- calling them vigilantes -- than he had against the foreign illegal invaders recently marching under foreign flags in the streets of America, while he sipped tea with Vincente in Mexico.
44 posted on 06/02/2006 4:19:45 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: lonestar67
The real question is whether we are up to the task of assimilation.

You got the shoe on the wrong foot. We needn't be up to the task. That's on the newcomers. LEGAL newcomers.

45 posted on 06/02/2006 4:20:03 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


46 posted on 06/02/2006 4:20:14 PM PDT by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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To: VU4G10
fence white house

George Bush sure likes his fence ....  around the White House. Keeps out the riff raff along with his platoons of Secret Service agents

47 posted on 06/02/2006 4:20:49 PM PDT by dennisw (We should return to calling them Muhammadans -- Worshippers of Muhammad and maybe Allah)
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To: lonestar67

Tis NOT the message you WANT to send to the whole world, "THAT YOU CAN FALSIFY DOCUMENTS, LIE, BORROW I.D, and then get a reward of "olli Olli oughts in FREE". Give credibility by honoring people who came to the USA via a PORT Of entry, and maybe an overextended visa, but not those who came in like this. It is to Encourage a million others to do the same.


48 posted on 06/02/2006 4:27:39 PM PDT by rovenstinez (qua)
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To: TomGuy

Bush never called the Minutemen "vigilantes" - he responded to a question about anyone "hunting migrant workers along the border" and said he was against that as vigilantism - I would think even you agree with that.


49 posted on 06/02/2006 4:31:51 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: lonestar67
"This nation has endured far higher waves of immigration."

That's not necessarily true. When the dependents of the irregular migrants (a U.N. term) arrive, we'll be looking at a total of 30 - 40 million. Some claim the Senate bill will permit up to 100 million. We've never had those numbers before.

One major difference is that immigrants from earlier eras were not a financial burden as the system of social services today's aliens enjoy didn't exist.
50 posted on 06/02/2006 4:33:09 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: kellynla

There is a lot of energy being expended in this effort out there and people are just spinning their wheels. We are up against the old race card and no one wants to be labeled as a "racist." It's time to take this fight to the next level by demanding the government do something about people using stolen identities to work and other things. The illegals are using other people's social security numbers to work. They are using forged, fraudulent documents to get driver's licenses, to vote and to receive public assistance. This needs to be brought into the fight because your average American can relate to these problems without the fear of being labeled as a racist and “a mean, bad person” (girlyman voice/off). Whether the Republicans and the DemocRATS like it or not, major crimes are being committed by these people and no one is doing anything about it.


51 posted on 06/02/2006 4:33:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Somebody get Jack a beer! He spent the whole day "fraggin'" Marines!)
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To: kellynla


Uh......Mr. President? Anyone there?


52 posted on 06/02/2006 4:39:49 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

What would your position have been had Bill Clinton proposed a sweeping national ID card or (God forbid) even more intrusive tracking system?


53 posted on 06/02/2006 4:39:51 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: kellynla

One point that is frequently forgotten in this argument is that by keeping the illegals here, we provide low/cheap labor for big business--that's who Bush is catering to on this. It is elitist to continue to propagate what is essentially a 'slave-labor class'. This class of people is paid a pittance (as long as they are illegals) by the companies benefitting from their low wages. They are not granted any benefits from their employers--no, all their benefits (health care, education, etc.) are paid by the working class Americans who are being taxed to death, gouged at the pump, which increases are passed onto every other facet of our existence (food, utilities, goods & services). Big business continues to reap the reward of record breaking profits or their CEOs are grabbing ever increasing bonuses--all on the backs of this convenient slave-labor class and the working-too-hard-to-march-in-the-street average American. I sound like a Democrat, and it's scaring me. Tell me where I'm wrong.


54 posted on 06/02/2006 4:40:02 PM PDT by erkyl
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To: Paperdoll

Yep - same candidate who has never changed on comprehensive immigration reform - elected twice.


55 posted on 06/02/2006 4:40:37 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Wrong again, Clawrence3.

NEWKERALA ^ | 3/24/2005 | staff


Posted on 03/25/2005 6:02:45 AM PST by kellynla


U.S. News] Washington, Mar 24 : President George W Bush has decried efforts by armed private groups to act as self-appointed policemen to bar illegal Mexican immigrants coming into the United States, and pledged to push for a "reasonable" immigration policy.

More than 1,000 people--including 30 pilots with their private planes--have volunteered for what they call their "Minuteman Project", seeking to monitor the movement of illegal aliens during April and report them to the Border patrol.

Bush said after yesterday's summit with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University that he finds such actions unacceptable.

"I am against vigilantes in the united States of America," Bush said at a joint press conference.

"I am for enforcing the law in a rational way." The Minuteman Project, The Washington Times notes, was born out of a long-held perception among many U.S. Residents that more Border Patrol agents are needed to handle the flow of illegal immigrants.

Bush, who is struggling to reduce the huge budget deficit, was criticised by both Republicans and Democrats earlier this month for failing to add 2,000 agents to the Border Patrol, as set out in the intelligence overhaul legislation he signed in December. The President's fiscal 2006 budget proposal allows enough money to add only 210 agents for the US borders with Canada and Mexico.


56 posted on 06/02/2006 4:41:40 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: erkyl

You are "wrong" because no one can be a "slave" if they have the choice to safely go home.


57 posted on 06/02/2006 4:43:34 PM PDT by clawrence3
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To: kellynla

58 posted on 06/02/2006 4:43:52 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: clawrence3


Oh, THAT Mr. President. The wooden one with strings attached.


59 posted on 06/02/2006 4:44:53 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: BW2221

He definitely said: "I am against vigilantes in the United States of America . . . I am for enforcing the law in a rational way." I agree with that. He also called Iraq, Iran, and North Korea the "axis of evil" - do you think he was referring to the Minuteman Project there too?


60 posted on 06/02/2006 4:46:14 PM PDT by clawrence3
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