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Investigators of Haditha Shootings Look to Exhume Bodies (WaPo Reports Holes in Case)
The Washington Post ^ | Friday, June 2, 2006 | Josh White and Thomas E. Ricks

Posted on 06/01/2006 7:53:01 PM PDT by kristinn

Criminal investigators are hoping to exhume the bodies of several Iraqi civilians allegedly gunned down by a group of U.S. Marines last year in the city of Haditha, aiming to recover potentially important forensic evidence, according to defense officials familiar with the investigation.

A source close to the inquiry said Naval Criminal Investigative Service officials have interviewed families of the dead several times and have visited the homes where the shootings allegedly occurred to collect as much evidence as possible. Exhuming the bodies could help investigators determine the distance at which shots were fired, the caliber of the bullets and the angles of the shots, possibly crucial details in determining how events unfolded and who might have been involved.

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"I think it's going to be a very difficult case for them to prove," said Vaughan Taylor, a former military prosecutor and instructor in criminal law at the Army's Judge Advocate General's Legal Center and School. On balance, he said, he would rather be a defense counsel in the case than prosecute for the government.

"I think there's plenty of avenues for defense in this case -- the fact that it wasn't initially investigated, the fact that there's been plenty of time for witnesses to play with stories. There's a lot of wiggle room in there."

The gap between the incident and the beginning of the NCIS investigation is going to cause major problems in prosecuting any charges, a Marine officer familiar with the case agreed. "They have huge proof problems," he said, citing the lack of identified bodies.

"The long and the short of it is, until they prove the cause of death," they don't have anything, said one civilian defense lawyer representing a Kilo Company Marine. "Photographs won't be enough to do it. Good luck with that."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: haditha; iraq; murthawatch
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1 posted on 06/01/2006 7:53:05 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Let's hope this proves our Marines are innocent.


2 posted on 06/01/2006 7:56:29 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (Free Travis McGee!!)
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To: kristinn
Thanks Kristinn.

"The long and the short of it is, until they prove the cause of death," they don't have anything,

Really quite simple isn't it?

3 posted on 06/01/2006 7:56:50 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: kristinn
Trial? Evidence? I thought Murtha and the NY Times already had these guys convicted.
4 posted on 06/01/2006 7:57:44 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: kristinn; Coop

How can there be holes in the case? John Murtha said they were guilty.


5 posted on 06/01/2006 7:57:56 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: kristinn

Don't forget, one of the fundamental principles of Islam is that it is always ok to tell a lie if it brings down the enemy.


6 posted on 06/01/2006 8:00:01 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Just A Nobody

I'm stunned that they've been investigating this for TWO MONTHS and are only now looking to exhume the bodies. (And how will they be able to prove those bodies are the ones which were "massacred"?)


7 posted on 06/01/2006 8:00:27 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
1- Exhuming the bodies will be prohibited by Islamic law. Especially by infidels. They may submit, because this is part of the plan.

2- Even if they are shown to be shot by 5.56 Lake City at close range, 'insurgents' have this too. Not conclusive.

3- Remember that one of the 'journalists' who collected and presented statements was jailed for 5 months by US forces as a security risk.

4- Remember that good Muslims execute families every day for as little as wearing shorts or being the wrong kind of Muslim. This fits the pattern.

5- To blame an 'atrocity' on the infidels is expected and part of the playbook. It doesn't have to be proveable. Just get it out to TIME and Al Jazeera.

8 posted on 06/01/2006 8:00:48 PM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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how will they be able to prove those bodies are the ones which were "massacred"?

Excellent question. They will probably okay bodies of terrorists that were indeed killed by American bullets, and claim they are the correct bodies. Who would know?

9 posted on 06/01/2006 8:04:27 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: Sender
It doesn't have to be proveable. Just get it out to TIME and Al Jazeera.

And ex-marine John Murtha

10 posted on 06/01/2006 8:05:54 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: Just A Nobody

forget that, no bodies of adult males need to be exhumed.

they claimed our Marines shot down unarmed women and children - dig up women and children for autopsies.


11 posted on 06/01/2006 8:06:05 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: kristinn

Prayers for our Marines.


12 posted on 06/01/2006 8:06:32 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: SaveUS

"Don't forget, one of the fundamental principles of Islam is that it is always ok to tell a lie if it brings down the enemy."

Islam, Rats, what's the dif?


13 posted on 06/01/2006 8:07:47 PM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: SaveUS
Don't forget, one of the fundamental principles of Islam is that it is always ok to tell a lie if it brings down the enemy.

It's also one of the fundamental principles of the Rat party.
14 posted on 06/01/2006 8:08:42 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: oceanview

"...killing 15 unarmed Iraqis in their homes, including seven women and three children."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1174649,00.html


15 posted on 06/01/2006 8:11:01 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: sinkspur

Ping - (and have you heard who the doctor was who cited these injuries and gunshots at close range?? -Hmm, an individual who was arrested a month earlier - (and who clearly could have an axe to grind with U.S. forces in the area).


16 posted on 06/01/2006 8:13:14 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: kristinn
UNREAL...

so all this...

all this 'reporting'....

Murtha and all this....

absent all of this 'info' they want to get now.

Detailed pictures, forensics evidence, caliber determination, etc.... all not done.

So what... you're telling me ALL THIS is the result of pictures spread about my "Hardcore Sunni groups opposed to the coalition" long after the fact?
17 posted on 06/01/2006 8:13:52 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: kristinn
You might want to check out Sam Hill's posting here. . .

Haditha Doctor Was Arrested, Hates US Too

/Sweetness & Light ^ | June 1, 2006 | N/A>Posted on 06/01/2006 6:44:37 PM PDT by Sam Hill/

So far, the only indiscriminate weaponry fired re this case has been 'Murtha's mouth. . .and that of the MSM who are firing in every direction. . .

18 posted on 06/01/2006 8:15:46 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal Free. . .or suffer the consequences. . .)
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To: FreedomNeocon

It would seem so.


19 posted on 06/01/2006 8:16:40 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn; Just A Nobody

Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR is on Tucker Carlson right now...and CAIR is saying that Rummy needs to resign immediately because of this incident...

Riiiiiiiight....


20 posted on 06/01/2006 8:18:47 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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