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California devises end-run around electoral college (Passed!)
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| 5/28/06
| Jim Sanders
Posted on 05/31/2006 3:09:09 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
...said the basic premise is understandable even to children. which must be why dims are so fond of this idea
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:11:07 PM PDT
by
Rakkasan1
(Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!)
To: BurbankKarl
One it's not clear to me that Gore won the popular vote in 00 and, two, Kerry lost the popular vote very badly.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:11:57 PM PDT
by
tomzz
To: BurbankKarl
So what happens when the nationwide popular vote is only separated by a few thousand votes, then you have to recount every single ballot in the whole county, as opposed to only recounting the ballots in one state.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:12:10 PM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
To: BurbankKarl
A blatant attempt to subvert the voices of the red states, because, as we all know, the smart people live in the blue states. (Do I really need a sarc. tag?)
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:12:45 PM PDT
by
clintonh8r
(Conservatives embrace American exceptionalism; liberals despise it.)
To: clintonh8r
they can't figure out punching holes in chads. why would they understand this either?
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:13:50 PM PDT
by
Rakkasan1
(Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!)
To: BurbankKarl
If you ever have a need to find a stupid poitician one place to start looking is the California legislature.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:14:00 PM PDT
by
groanup
(Shred For Ian)
To: BurbankKarl
But the power of the Electoral College lies with the smaller states. How does California propose to get West Virginia, for example, to go along with this proposal?
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:14:19 PM PDT
by
Physicist
To: BurbankKarl
The Electoral College allowed smaller states to feel protected in joining a union with the larger ones. This was a condition of joining the union. If the deal is broken, should the states be free to leave the union? Just as a broken marriage vow is grounds for divorce.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:15:16 PM PDT
by
Mark was here
(How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
To: BurbankKarl
This move would actually benefit the GOP far more than the Democrats. It effectively puts California into play with a high probability of going red, whereas right now it's a sure-bet blue state.
To: tomzz
One it's not clear to me that Gore won the popular vote in 00 and, two, Kerry lost the popular vote very badly.And you cannot assume that if the electorate knew that the election was based on the popular vote, that Gore would have won it anyway. How many people didn't bother to vote precisely because they knew which way their state was going to go even before the election. How many Texans stayed home because they knew Bush would take the state, that otherwise would have voted for him, had it been a popular vote?
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:15:22 PM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
To: BurbankKarl
Picking away at the basis of the country. One little thing here, one little thing there.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:15:24 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Off touch and out of base)
To: clintonh8r
Not to mention a glaring ignorance of American History (though again, no surprise there).
The President REPRESENTS THE STATES not the people! It is normal that he be elected by the number and weight of each state.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:15:54 PM PDT
by
Philistone
(Turning lead into gold...)
To: BurbankKarl
People don't elect the President, States do . . . .
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:15:57 PM PDT
by
jeffc
To: BurbankKarl
We must remind California Democrats that their vote for President means NOTHING!
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:17:20 PM PDT
by
Mike Darancette
(Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
To: BurbankKarl
"In 2004, for example, Kerry lost the national vote but won by 10 percentage points in California." You're kidding...
To: BurbankKarl
"When you're in first grade, if the person who got the second-most votes became class leader, the kids would recognize that this is not a fair system," he said. "When you're in first grade, if you have to eat your vegetables before you get the ice cream, the kids would recognize that this is not a fair system,".
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:18:12 PM PDT
by
DuncanWaring
(The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
To: Physicist
But the power of the Electoral College lies with the smaller states. How does California propose to get West Virginia, for example, to go along with this proposal? Doesn't seem likely to me. A more interesting proposal would be to have all but two of the electoral votes for each state determined by congressional districts, with the remaining two cast as the individual state legislatures opt to define. It would also be likely to reduce the need for recounts to merely a few districts instead of whole states. Such a proposal would probably benefit at least 38 states, and would thus stand a much greater chance of passage than California's proposal.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:18:34 PM PDT
by
supercat
(Sony delenda est.)
To: BurbankKarl
Doesn't the Electoral College system help ensure that the President represents the whole country? If the voters in a few heavily populated states could determine the outcome (because they would determine the popular vote) wouldn't Presidential candidates pander to urbanized areas and ignore rural states?
To: groanup
If you ever have a need to find a stupid poitician one place to start looking is the California legislature. Agreed. Yours was a thoughtfully worded post, and as such entitles you to bash where bashing is due...the commies who happen to be running them legislature right now.
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posted on
05/31/2006 3:19:20 PM PDT
by
ElkGroveDan
(California bashers will be called out)
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