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Black Tuesday: The Last Day of the World
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | May 30, 2006 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 05/29/2006 9:22:33 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: wideawake

I don't think you are right. The old treasury Building and the Church of St. Marks in Venice is loaded with stuff from Constantinople, as is the Vatican.


21 posted on 06/01/2006 2:39:38 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Wrong on both counts. The Venetians were trading and warring with the Byzantines off and on for centuries before the sack of Constantinople. I've been to St. Mark's and it is not loaded with Byzantine treasures - it has some and most of the pieces are not from Constantinople.

St. Mark's is a good-sized church, but if it truly represented the despoiling of the entire city of Constantinople then Constantinople had next to nothing in it.

I've also been to the Vatican museum and there is a decent-sized collection of Byzantine art and "treasure" - again nowhere near enough to represent the despoiling of an entire city.

Additionally, the Vatican received absolutely nothing at all from the sack of Constantinople because the Pope excommunicated both the Western generals responsible for the sack.

The Western sackers were privateers acting on their own initiatives for their own private enrichment - the Vatican specifically instructed them not to make war on the Byzantines.

22 posted on 06/01/2006 4:45:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: neverdem

I was born on a Tuesday...


23 posted on 06/01/2006 4:48:27 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: wideawake
What about the marble columns that decorate the facade of the churches of Venice? Did they not come from Byzantium?

Just asking. Saw John Rhomer's series on Byzantium on British Television.

24 posted on 06/02/2006 5:38:43 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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What about the marble columns that decorate the facade of the churches of Venice? Did they not come from Byzantium?

There are many churches of Venice and some have facades that incorporate actual Byzantine work, some that are imitated from the Byzantine and some that are not Byzantine at all.

Additionally, just because a church's facade may incorporate Byzantine work does not mean that the work was plundered nor does it mean that work came from Constantinople instead of being native to Venice itself.

From about the time that Aistulf the Lombard killed the Byzantine Exarch in Ravenna, Byzantines in Italy and other supporters of the Byzantine Emperor in Italy began to settle in the Venetian islands to avoid the Lombards.

The original doges of Venice took their title and claimed their offices as duces of the Byzantine Empire.

Venice was essentially a Byzantine city in its origin. During the period 800-1100 the Byzantine Emperor grew ever weaker and weaker in Northern Italy and Venice became an independent state in that power vacuum - an inbetween place that was neither truly Byzantine nor truly Italian.

So the fact that Venice has so much of the Byzantine about its churches and architecture and culture is mostly due to that heritage and affinity.

Venice engaged in trade from the beginning, with Constantinople as its main trading partner for seven hundred years.

25 posted on 06/05/2006 6:00:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: neverdem

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26 posted on 06/05/2006 6:03:16 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: neverdem

Interesting history lesson Bttt.


27 posted on 06/05/2006 6:05:17 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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