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To: MACVSOG68
Was there some evidence that he was trying to imbue his personal lifestyle into his classes? I did not see that in the article.

The article is propaganda. Having been through the wringer with teachers like this, I guarantee you that even if he didn't come right out and say, "I like sodomy," he hinted at it constantly. Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge. That's how they do it.

I noticed in your examples that 1 of the three had reflected no evidence of improper behavior.

The one was fired under mysterious circumstances in the early 1990s. This was still during the time when sex abuse cases were scrupulously covered up. Based on the reading material this teacher had in his office--homosexual "sex ed" with photos--he was at the very least corrupting the morals of minors.

If you are trying to say that homosexual teachers should be fired simply because they are homosexuals rather than because of their conduct, I again say that private schools have that right if the contracts contain that power.

Good, we agree.

Do any of your examples include the quality of education provided by those identified as homosexuals but with no observation of improper conduct or teaching?

If a guy is fondling teenage boys, I don't care if he's the greatest teacher on the planet. As for homosexuals in general as teachers, I don't have a problem with it as long as they don't even obliquely reference it or make it obvious. The teachers I mentioned above were all suspected as or known to be "gay-birds" by the students. I may have had other homosexual teachers that we never found out about--and that's the way it should be.

As for pedophiles, I'm sure you have seen the statistics on married heterosexuals who have a thing for children.

Yep. And the statistics show that married heterosexuals are much less likely to abuse children, per capita, than non-celebate homosexuals.

As for the scandals that have plagued the Church with respect to priests. There is ample evidence that Church officials from the local diocese to the Vatican continually covered up such conduct until civil and criminal actions could no longer contain the scandals.

The Vatican is powerless to stop the plague of homosexual sex abuse unleashed by rogue American bishops who are in crypto-schism and will not obey. Many of these bishops are STILL covering up (eg. Mahoney in LA, Hubbard in Albany) and they are allowed to get away with it by the civil authorities and the liberal media. Why? Because these homo-friendly bishops are politically connected and big-time Democrat supporters. You'll recall that Cardinal Mahoney gave the blessing at Al Gore's DNC convention in 2000.

There clearly has been a double standard.

There sure has been. The rate of sexual abuse among public school teachers is probably about an order of magnitude higher than among Catholic priests. Yet the issue is rarely heard in the media--let alone given saturation coverage.
43 posted on 05/25/2006 8:25:10 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ginty for US Senate -- NJ's primary day is June 6 -- www.gintyforsenate.org)
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To: Antoninus
The article is propaganda. Having been through the wringer with teachers like this, I guarantee you that even if he didn't come right out and say, "I like sodomy," he hinted at it constantly. Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge. That's how they do it.

I didn't realize that. I do see almost daily stories involving teachers going after students of the opposite sex though. Do you have any statistics or studies reflecting a greater propensity of homosexuals trying to influence students than heterosexuals?

The one was fired under mysterious circumstances in the early 1990s. This was still during the time when sex abuse cases were scrupulously covered up. Based on the reading material this teacher had in his office--homosexual "sex ed" with photos--he was at the very least corrupting the morals of minors.

Well, I can't argue the nexus one way or the other, but the issue of teacher/student corruption and relationships seems very pronounced these days, regardless of sexual preference.

If a guy is fondling teenage boys, I don't care if he's the greatest teacher on the planet.

Absolutely! But the same goes for heterosexual fondling. None of that should be tolerated.

As for homosexuals in general as teachers, I don't have a problem with it as long as they don't even obliquely reference it or make it obvious.

Again we agree, but again I say the same holds for heterosexual teachers.

The teachers I mentioned above were all suspected as or known to be "gay-birds" by the students. I may have had other homosexual teachers that we never found out about--and that's the way it should be.

Well, as a child raised in the '40s and '50s, I too thought I could point out homosexuals. It was only later I learned it was not always so easy. But did these "gay-birds" provide a proper education? My concern is not whether a gay or lesbian is teaching, but whether he or she is attempting to influence the children into their lifestyle. I certainly don't believe that just knowing that a teacher is a homosexual has any bearing on the future sexual preferences of children. Overt activities aimed at children are absolutely not acceptable.

Yep. And the statistics show that married heterosexuals are much less likely to abuse children, per capita, than non-celebate homosexuals.

Any links?

The Vatican is powerless to stop the plague of homosexual sex abuse unleashed by rogue American bishops who are in crypto-schism and will not obey. Many of these bishops are STILL covering up (eg. Mahoney in LA, Hubbard in Albany) and they are allowed to get away with it by the civil authorities and the liberal media. Why? Because these homo-friendly bishops are politically connected and big-time Democrat supporters. You'll recall that Cardinal Mahoney gave the blessing at Al Gore's DNC convention in 2000.

First, I'm not aware of any current cover-ups, as the laws are pretty tough on both the perpetrators and the enablers, and it is much easier psychologically for those abused to come forward. Second, there is ample evidence the Vatican has known about these scandals for years. And I don't know why the Vatican is so powerless.

There sure has been. The rate of sexual abuse among public school teachers is probably about an order of magnitude higher than among Catholic priests. Yet the issue is rarely heard in the media--let alone given saturation coverage.

Links?

47 posted on 05/25/2006 9:11:53 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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