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Bush's Border Buffoonery
Reason ^ | May 16, 2006 | Nick Gillespie

Posted on 05/16/2006 7:36:19 AM PDT by logician2u

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To: Trailerpark Badass
we're doomed!

Your words, not mine. I was just pointing out one of the numerous (negative) ways illegal aliens impact our society. Others include an disproportionally high crime rate (29% of all Federal prison inmates are illegal aliens) and the overall cost to the American taxpayer (around $100 billion/yr).

41 posted on 05/16/2006 8:22:16 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: logician2u
What is missing in all these equations is the fact that Mexico is at war with us. Sending 6000 unarmed National Guard to the border is crazy. Divide this up to at least 3 shifts, that amounts to 2000 a shift. An then what! This band aid patch is nothing.

I'm tired of listening to the crap that the National Guard is not trained to contain the border. These same Guardsmen types are in Iraq. They have been in Korea maintaining the border. And to hear that they are not as well trained as the Coast Guard is pure nonsense. How much training do they need to point a AK47 at a intruder and say "Get down", cuff them, and march them to a Border Patrol van.

42 posted on 05/16/2006 8:22:24 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: BJungNan

Mostly fall. I am even more disgusted.


43 posted on 05/16/2006 8:23:34 AM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

"I'm sure 19th Century Italy, Ireland, and Germany were germ- and disease-free. Of course, our medical knowledge and care were so much better back then."

TB You need to go back and read the history of legal immigration during this period.

Many were quaratined or refused entry because of disease.


46 posted on 05/16/2006 8:29:22 AM PDT by EEDUDE (A penny saved is......a penny Congress overlooked.)
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To: new yorker 77

Thanks for defining what a conservative is and is not. I was waiting for God to come on this forum and tell me.


47 posted on 05/16/2006 8:29:35 AM PDT by steel_resolve (BUSH IS WHACK ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.)
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To: logician2u
Did I hear correctly that we recruit non citizens into our militates services?

Bush claims removing illegals as not possible...Bull Sh*t!

I did not hear Bush make the claim that these illegal invaders are driving down wages in an ever increasing over taxed society.

I heard nothing about legal trades people getting shafted as wages for government related jobs go up.

I did not hear anything about a nation of laws and that 30 million ILLEGALS are outright breaking our laws.

I did not hear Bush say anything about a coming civil war that he and his buddies are helping to bring about.

I heard nothing about illegals breaking our welfare and hospital sytem.

WHAT A SORRY SPEECH LAST NIGHT.

49 posted on 05/16/2006 8:30:20 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Mr. Mojo
The seeds for our country's destruction are already present here, much like the Roman Empire. Distracting the populace with ancillary issues will prevent any meaningful reform.

Anyone who thinks the Federal government, in its present iteration, will (or can) do anything effective regarding illegal immigration (other than waste more money and increase the power of Federal employee unions) is kidding themselves.

50 posted on 05/16/2006 8:34:35 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: logician2u

the pubbies have a problem. their choices like those of the people on flight
93 are between certain death and near certain death.

If they allow the illegals citizenship--the illegal/legals will do what they did after 1986: vote democratic and tip the country to a democratic majority as they have done in california and that because after 1993 in California many mexicans began voting in california to preserve gov bennies--for which the dems excel. There won't be social security benefit for Americans of retirement age from the illegals/legals because they will suck up what ever they put into the economy--as they are now. They won't yield a net gain. ie they won't pay for anyone's social security.

Everyone but everyone who has ever been to any government building that dispenses anything from health care to drivers lisences can't help but notice that the place is swamped with foreigners. Basically the welfare state system set up in the 1960's is being totally gamed by foreigners.

If the president gets his way he will demoralize the republicans bringing on the effects of the 1992 & 1996 elections. There may not even be a third party but when W builds in a reversal of the fortunes of the war of 1848--it creates a kind of passivity in people when they see their leaders commit them to the status of world historical losers.

If Bush decides to put up a wall and expel the illegals then there is a chance to preserve Republican majorities. It would be helpful to promise that the USA will kill the cost of water desalination and transport so as to make it economically possible to turn the deserts 1000 miles from any desert seacoast -- green. (this would increase the habitable size of the USA by a third and double the habitable size of Mexico.)This work is already ongoing and will be accomplished in five years or so--or in about the same time frame that GM promises to have a cost effective fuel cell car. For GM as it is for the GOP its do or die time.

The chief difference between the pubbies current predicament and flight 93 is that they are currently in the cockpit. (if you presume that bush is a republican or at least more of a republican than a bilderburger.)

The point here is that if these guys cannot act like loyal americans at least they can act like republicans. ie people who have a stake in the continuity of the republican party.

Since they are not doing this the republicans in the white house and senate all need to be smacked on both sides of the face and kicked in the but.


51 posted on 05/16/2006 8:35:47 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: EEDUDE

Yes, you are correct, many (some?) were.


52 posted on 05/16/2006 8:39:51 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: logician2u
[ Which suggests that the president missed a chance to recast the issue in a way that might actually reflect reality. The first thing is to challenge the notion that immigration--legal or illegal—in any way represents a "crisis." ]

REALITY?... a CRISIS?... O.K. multi million Brand New DEMOCRATS voting in the 2008 election.. either as illegal or legal aliens or new citizens.. not only may elect she who should not be named (Jaws theme).. or her minions in the house and senate.. or all three..

And THATS reality brother.. and a crisis... BUT Not if you're a democrat or a American misanthrope in the White RINO House..

The voteing demographics are rapidily changeing in America as we speak.. from republican to democrat.. Yes thats right from RINO to democrat.. Conservatives are or soon will be a die'ing party.. of paleo Americans.. The secret is RINOs are really democrats cross dressed.. Democrats know that, republicans DO NOT.. (mostly).. Compassionate conservatives a.k.a. the confused.. will be the last find this out.. but won't care anyway..

Rank and gross socialism is heading for America like a freight train.. and the driver is the White RINO House.. and a good part of Congress, especially the democrats.. and the trans-politicos (RINOs)..

53 posted on 05/16/2006 8:45:31 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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I thank you for managing to avoid entirely any and all points made by Mr. Gillespie and concentrating instead on the consequences of voting third-party, illegals registering as Democrats, etc.

You've confirmed once again that FReepers are well above the fray, able to respond with well-reasoned arguments (oftentimes spelled arguements just to make it interesting) never having read the article under discussion, effectively shooting from the hip before unholstering their weapon.

References? Links? We don't need no steeeenkin' links when we have our pal, ad hominem to fall back on.

54 posted on 05/16/2006 3:58:49 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
Nick Gillespie is about as far from being a socialist as the Pope is from Scientology.

Trust me.

55 posted on 05/16/2006 4:00:08 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: Czar; Borax Queen; janetgreen; Spiff
....But doesn't that mean that all workers—regardless of country of origin or citizenship—will have to show a "tamper-resistant identification card"? Let's leave aside for the moment that there ain't no such thing as a tamper-resistant anything: It's a simple fact that anything that applies to immigrants will have to apply to U.S. citizens (no, no, don't you see—only immigrants will have to show documents showing they are immigrants? Umm...). Oh, and hey, the president "opposes amnesty" but wants a guest-worker program that will let most of the 12 million illegals in the country gain citizenship.

BumPing!

56 posted on 05/16/2006 4:02:53 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: P-40
That shows the author to be not all that familiar with the problems of illegal immigration.

Since you apparently are, maybe you will email Nick Gillespie and fill him in? I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

(His email link is in the article, under post #1 if you didn't see it the first time.)

57 posted on 05/16/2006 4:04:23 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: nicmarlo
"Oh, and hey, the president "opposes amnesty" but wants a guest-worker program that will let most of the 12 million illegals in the country gain citizenship."

Well, the traitors in the Senate want to legislate the admission into the U.S. of another 120 million immigrants over the next 20 years.

Neat, huh?

58 posted on 05/16/2006 5:01:22 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar

that'll be 25% non-born people comprising the American population.

real neat.


59 posted on 05/16/2006 5:06:46 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Czar

non-born = non-native born people


60 posted on 05/16/2006 5:07:19 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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