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'UNITED 93' vs. 'MUNICH' (Paul Greengrass--thank the stars--is no Steven Spielberg)
5.09.06 | Mia T

Posted on 05/09/2006 1:38:59 AM PDT by Mia T

'UNITED 93' vs. 'MUNICH'
Paul Greengrass--thank the stars--is no Steven Spielberg

by Mia T, 5.09.06

 



hereas both 'United 93' and 'Munich' derive their initial tension not from uncertainty but from what we already know, one movie remains scrupulously true to the facts--art in the service of history--while the other quickly devolves into a verisimilitudinous contrivance in the service of a director's political agenda.

Paradoxically--poetic justice in its purest form, some would say--the honest movie is the one that ultimately delivers the powerful political message.

Spoken by its heros--our heros--as they prepare to rush the cockpit, shortly before the plane meant for the White House plunges into a Pennsylvania field instead, the simple but powerful words are these:

  • "No one is going to help us. We've got to do it ourselves."

  • "We have to do it now. We know what happens if we just sit here and do nothing...."

CLOSE ENCOUNTER OF THE WORST KIND

January 9, 2006
Reviewer: miat22 (Mia T)

... to borrow a phrase, perversely, from a Spielberg flick about benign intelligence.

Munich, with its false premises, phony pieties and outright lies -- Spielberg fantasy wrapped in sober documentary -- is a verisimilitudinous contrivance that is pernicious, especially now, especially here, especially if we understand Spielberg's real motivation.

Truth matters not at all to Spielberg, and courage matters even less. To advance his fallacious argument, he has Golda Meir speak words she never said, never would have said and, obviously, cannot now disavow. Posthumous misappropriation is a preferred tactic of the abject coward.

Munich is less about Meir avenging the Munich massacre than it is about Bush waging the War on Terror. The historical Munich allusion of appeasement, self-loathing and psychologizing that is practiced so fastidiously by the American Left
today is key to understanding Spielberg.

The core of his anti-war argument: By fighting back, we become our enemy. Ironically, with Munich, the same can now be said of Spielberg.

Is Spielberg humanizing the terrorist really any different from Riefenstahl humanizing Hitler? If anything, Spielberg is more contemptible. Whereas Riefenstahl symbolizes the naïve actress and director who is induced to deal with devils, Spielberg is self-actuated and aware.

Hollywood is DreamWorks, fantastical and unthinking and solipsistic by definition.

To mitigate its danger, people capable of critical thinking must take on Hollywood... and must do so in Hollywood venues.

The printed word, sad to say, no longer carries the day.



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UNITED 93:THE CLINTON-9/11 NEXUS
"We have to do it now. We know what happens if we just sit here and do nothing...."



CLINTON: 'Can we kill 'em tomorrow?'
(+ Albright-Fulbright-Nobel TERRORISM revelations)

by Mia T, 4.24.06





LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE AUDIO: Fulbrighters' gasps of horror follow clinton's "I always asked the same question for eight years, 'Can we kill 'em tomorrow?'  I don't think we can bring 'em back tomorrow, but can we kill 'em tomorrow?  If we can kill them tomorrow, then we're not weak...."

I suspect the horror was provoked not by the (proven) fecklessness and recklessness and rigidity and danger of the purported clinton 'terrorism policy' or even by the absurdity of the argument; I suspect the gasps of horror were in response, rather, to the Kill-Bill kind of violence (albeit "virtual") contained in bill clinton's words.

God save us from people who do the morally right thing. It's always the rest of us who get broken in half.

--Paddy Chayefsky

 

And God save us from the morally unencumbered clintons, who get us broken in half nonetheless. --Mia T




'Can we kill 'em tomorrow?'
THE ADDRESS
THE (oops!) TRUTH


"In this interdependent world, we should still have a preference for peace over war....

But sometimes we would have these debates where people would say, if I didn't take some military action this very day, people would look down their nose at America and think we were weak.  And I always thought of Senator Fulbright.... 6

So anytime somebody said in my presence, 'Hey, if you don't do this, people will think you're weak,' I always asked the same question for eight years, 'Can we kill 'em tomorrow?' 

I don't think we can bring 'em back tomorrow, but can we kill 'em tomorrow?  If we can kill them tomorrow, then we're not weak.... 1

I learned that as a 20-year-old kid watching Bill Fulbright.  Listening."

bill clinton
Fulbright Prize address
April 12, 2006

 

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in '91 and he went to the Sudan.

We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him [bin Laden].

At the time, '96, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have; but they thought it was a hot potato. They didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

bill clinton
Sunday, Aug. 11, 2002
Clinton Reveals on Secret Audio:
I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer




"I remember exactly what happened. Bruce Lindsey said to me on the phone, 'My God, a second plane has hit the tower.' And I said, 'Bin Laden did this.' that's the first thing I said. He said, 'How can you be sure?' I said 'Because only bin Laden and the Iranians could set up the network to do this and they [the Iranians] wouldn't do it because they have a country in targets. Bin Laden did it.'

I thought that my virtual obsession 2 with him was well placed and I was full of regret that I didn't get him."

bill clinton
Sunday, Sept 3, 2002
Larry King Live



"You know... the job which we should have done 1... which should have been our primary focus, to find [you know] bin Laden and eliminate al Qaeda."

hillary clinton
Saturday, Jan. 28, 2006
Chitchat with Jane Pauley
San Francisco, CA

... I thank you for this award, even though, in general, I think former presidents and presidents should never get awards.  I was delighted when Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize because I thought he earned it, and I thought it was great because he got it as much for what he did after office as when he was in office.  In general, I think that the fact that we got to be president is quite honor enough.

bill clinton
Fulbright Prize address
April 12, 2006

"Bill Clinton is still campaigning for the Nobel Peace Prize. But for now, he'll just have to settle for "the political play of the week."

Bill Schneider
CNN
reporting on the Fulbright Prize
April 14, 2006

 

 

 

WASHINGTON -- Two Norwegian public-relations executives and one member of the Norwegian Parliament say they were contacted by the White House to help campaign for President Clinton to receive this year's Nobel Peace Prize for his work in trying to negotiate peace in the Middle East.

Clinton Lobbies for Nobel Prize: What a Punk
White House Lobbied For Clinton Nobel Peace Prize Updated
Friday, October 13, 2000
By Rita Cosby

 

 

 

There's been speculation in the last few months that Clinton was pursuing a Mideast peace accord in an effort to win the prize and secure his legacy as president.

AIDES PUSH CLINTON FOR THE NOBEL

 


 

 

At the time, clinton observed: "I made more progress in the Middle East than I did between Socks and Buddy." Retrospectively, it is clear that clinton's characterization was not correct.

Mia T
Buddy Death Report Raises More Questions Than It Answers


 

I M P E A C H M E N T
h e a r --c l i n t o n --l o s e --i t



by Mia T, 11.11.05

This legacy confab is in and of itself proof certain of clinton's deeply flawed character, and a demonstration in real time of the way in which the clinton years were about a legacy that was incidentally a presidency.

Madeleine Albright captured the essence of this dysfunctional presidency best when she explained why clinton couldn't go after bin Laden.

According to Richard Miniter, the Albright revelation occurred at the cabinet meeting that would decide the disposition of the USS Cole bombing by al Qaeda [that is to say, that would decide to do what it had always done when a "bimbo" was not spilling the beans on the clintons: Nothing]. Only Clarke wanted to retaliate militarily for this unambiguous act of war.

Albright explained that a [sham] Mideast accord would yield [if not peace for the principals, surely] a Nobel Peace Prize for clinton. Kill or capture bin Laden and clinton could kiss the 'accord' and the Peace Prize good-bye.

If clinton liberalism, smallness, cowardice, corruption, perfidy--and, to borrow a phrase from Andrew Cuomo, clinton cluelessness--played a part, it was, in the end, the Nobel Peace Prize that produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled the clintons to shrug off terrorism's global danger.

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hat the loser is up to here:


  1. Sheltered by a messy war, rising gas prices and a tanking president, haunted by his own failed, dysfunctional presidency and longing for the ultimate mulligan, the peacenik-posing, draft-dodging proximate cause of 9/11 intensifies the Left's Tet-Offensive gambit replay...

  2. as he claims he ignored terrorism on purpose, which he actually did; but not for PEACE, as he claims. Rather, it was the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE--his obsession, his ultimate validation (in his own mind, anyway)--that in the end produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled him (and his wife) to shrug off terrorism's global danger.

  3. Posthumous misappropriation is a preferred tactic of the abject coward. It is no surprise, therefore, that bill clinton blames his failure to confront terrorism on his eponymous mentor, the-dead-and-defenseless-as-a-doornail Arkansas senator, J. William Fulbright. Clinton's simplistic (and cynical--note the caveat) leap from Cold War to asymmetric netherworlds and his shameless choice of venue are the product of unbridled egoism and contempt.

Biography lends to death a new terror.--Oscar Wilde

  

Hypocrisy abounds in this Age of Clinton, a Postmodern Oz rife with constitutional deconstruction and semantic subversion, a virtual surreality polymarked by presidential alleles peccantly misplaced or, in the case of Jefferson posthumously misappropriated...

Mia T, THE OTHER NIXON

   

Yesterday, Daniel Patrick Moynihan died. Today, the clintons are arrogating his soul. Hardly surprising. In 1999, the clintons were not at all shy about seizing his still-warm senate seat.

One has merely to recall the Jefferson double-helix hoax to understand that posthumous misappropriation is, for the obvious reason, the clintons' preferred method of legacy inflation….

Standard-Issue clintonism

If misappropriation of Jefferson's alleles hinged on a broken line of descent, misappropriation of Moynihan's endorsement depends on a broken line of dissent. Like Sally Hemmings' progeny, Moynihan's later acquiescence is of dubious lineage

Mia T, Moynihan Myths


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ALBRIGHT INDICTS CLINTON FOR TERRORISM FAILURE
(and doesn't even know it)

ALBRIGHT1: 'Bin Laden and his Network Declared War2 on the United States and Struck First and We Have Suffered Deeply'

by Mia T, 4.28.06



 

I M P E A C H M E N T
h e a r --c l i n t o n --l o s e --i t



by Mia T, 11.11.05

This legacy confab is in and of itself proof certain of clinton's deeply flawed character, and a demonstration in real time of the way in which the clinton years were about a legacy that was incidentally a presidency.

Madeleine Albright captured the essence of this dysfunctional presidency best when she explained why clinton couldn't go after bin Laden.

According to Richard Miniter, the Albright revelation occurred at the cabinet meeting that would decide the disposition of the USS Cole bombing by al Qaeda [that is to say, that would decide to do what it had always done when a "bimbo" was not spilling the beans on the clintons: Nothing]. Only Clarke wanted to retaliate militarily for this unambiguous act of war.

Albright explained that a [sham] Mideast accord would yield [if not peace for the principals, surely] a Nobel Peace Prize for clinton. Kill or capture bin Laden and clinton could kiss the 'accord' and the Peace Prize good-bye.

If clinton liberalism, smallness, cowardice, corruption, perfidy--and, to borrow a phrase from Andrew Cuomo, clinton cluelessness--played a part, it was, in the end, the Nobel Peace Prize that produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled the clintons to shrug off terrorism's global danger.


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COPYRIGHT MIA T 2006

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2006





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1 posted on 05/09/2006 1:39:05 AM PDT by Mia T
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To: Gail Wynand

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2 posted on 05/09/2006 1:46:29 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: jla; WorkingClassFilth; Gail Wynand; Brian Allen; Lonesome in Massachussets; IVote2; Slyfox; ...

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3 posted on 05/09/2006 1:48:46 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: JustPiper

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4 posted on 05/09/2006 1:53:55 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Wolverine

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5 posted on 05/09/2006 1:58:07 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T

BTTT!


6 posted on 05/09/2006 2:10:15 AM PDT by Brian Allen (Life's only certainties include the absolute corruption of those who collect and spend our taxes.)
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To: Mia T

<< Truth matters not at all to Spielberg, and courage matters even less ...... [His] Posthumous misappropriation is a preferred tactic of the abject coward. >>

And therein lies the liberals' rub.

That evil is but the absence of truth and cowardice its definitive identifier.


7 posted on 05/09/2006 2:19:12 AM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Mia T

Mia T. Bump.


8 posted on 05/09/2006 3:09:41 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Mia T

Mia T, great post as usual. Too bad not many Americans are going to see the outstanding, informative, educational, factual film "United 93". I expect the Democrat "traitor scum" to boycott it because they all live in complete denial and will be voting for their own deaths this November, but both Pubbies and Conservatives are not turning out in numbers one would of thought were there. Shame!!! America is going down!!!


9 posted on 05/09/2006 3:30:28 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Mia T

I saw the movie Sword of Gideon just a few days ago. I was stunned by how much, scene by scene, Spielberg lifted from that movie into making Munich. Fortunatley, it didn't include that stupid scene where Speilberg's Avner is having sex intercut with massive violence.


10 posted on 05/09/2006 3:48:04 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Mia T, great post as usual. Too bad not many Americans are going to see the outstanding, informative, educational, factual film "United 93". I expect the Democrat "traitor scum" to boycott it because they all live in complete denial and will be voting for their own deaths this November, but both Pubbies and Conservatives are not turning out in numbers one would of thought were there. Shame!!! America is going down!!!


The movie has not made it to my area yet, but Munich did so I saw it and thought it was good. I still for the life of me don't see what that movie did to people who are supposedly conservative. It was a movie where the Israelis killed the heck out of the palistinians. Is that a problem for you? BTW, I am looking forward to seeing "Flight 93" when I have the soonest opportunity. Maybe most people have not been able to see it yet. It did pretty well the opening weekend.


12 posted on 05/09/2006 3:50:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Mia T

Spielberg is a rich white ass.


13 posted on 05/09/2006 3:55:51 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We got permits, yes we DO! We got permits, how 'bout YOU?;))
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Oops. Make that heroes.

Spoken by its heroes--our heroes--as they prepare to rush the cockpit, shortly before the plane meant for the White House plunges into a Pennsylvania field instead, the simple but powerful words are these:

  • "No one is going to help us. We've got to do it ourselves."

  • "We have to do it now. We know what happens if we just sit here and do nothing...."


14 posted on 05/09/2006 5:32:09 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Brian Allen

excellent.
bump


15 posted on 05/09/2006 5:34:04 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: E.G.C.

thanks :)


16 posted on 05/09/2006 5:39:29 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

If or when it makes it to our town, we'll go.


17 posted on 05/09/2006 5:45:40 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: napscoordinator

*It was a movie where the Israelis killed the heck out of the palistinians. Is that a problem for you? *

Huh? Problem is the movie rewrites history and especially quotes Golda Meir who cannot defend herself since she is dead.....what could be worse and more cowardly than this?

I think Mia already said this. 93 United has not yet come out in my area either. I don't go to movie theaters normally but did for The Passion and will do so for this one. It is releasing this week.

Mia T always a pleasure to correspond with like minded people. Blessings,


18 posted on 05/09/2006 5:57:10 AM PDT by citizensgratitude (Our Military, present & past, the Highest example of Brotherhood of Man and doing God's Will)
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To: napscoordinator

My friend, Spielberg portrayed the Arab terrorist scum as human beings. They are not!!! They are animals!!! Now that does not include the great majority of Muslims who want to live in peace and raise their families with opportunities and love. But Spielberg is in for a surprise. When our Democrat Party friends get back in power, shortly thereafter, it will become open season on Americans at will. Mr. Spielberg and other American Jews will get a rude awakening. First his wife will be abused and raped in front of him, then his children will be shot in the back of the head "Taliban" style, and finally he will get the beheading treatment. This man and other American Jews are asses, fools and idiots, etc. Go figure!!! And....my friend before the Bin Laden crowd gets to us the Blacks, and Gays will go before us.


19 posted on 05/09/2006 6:07:05 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Strategerist

I guess you did not note of the airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon killing innocent Americans. Let me know how unconcerned you are after the first Nuke is set off here after the Democrat vermin get back into power. Now, Now, please, no complaints down the road. For you, all is hunky-dory!!! Take about denial!!!


20 posted on 05/09/2006 6:11:37 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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