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Why Isn't Socialism Dead
TCS Daily ^ | 5 May 2006 | Lee Harris

Posted on 05/05/2006 5:59:43 AM PDT by RKV

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To: maica

I think the brand of rabid, virulent marxism sweeping latin and south america are possibly the biggest challenge we face. They may very well eclipse the radical islamists. And I think China is behind it.


61 posted on 05/05/2006 8:38:40 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: RKV

Because an idiot is born every minute


62 posted on 05/05/2006 8:40:34 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: Noumenon
I've posted that epilogue several times and the final paragraph many more times. Have you seen the 3 hour PBS documentary based on Heaven on Earth?

I think the author of this piece is correct. The thing that drives socialism and makes it impossible to kill is that people are unwilling to believe that life and humans not perfectable, that life has winners and losers, and that actual physical equality is impossible to enforce.

63 posted on 05/05/2006 8:55:32 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Clemenza
Right. Socialism's appeal is to the have nots who believe they are poor because of bad luck not bad choices.

Politicians are quick to take advantage of the universal attraction of socialism that promises utopia without effort on the part of the recipients. Socialism's great flaw is that it cannot produce wealth.

Take the late Communisst Empire of Russia. Even though the communist government controlled everything, owned everything, set prices, wages etc. it could not do what any convenience store on any crossroad in American can do; balance supply with demand and make a profit.

The iron law is: "When there are more people riding in the wagon than there are pushing it, the wagon soon comes to a stop."
64 posted on 05/05/2006 9:10:13 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: RKV

Socialism will never die because there is an endless supply of greedy, would-be dictators that would promise the ignorant, envious masses a heaven on earth, "something for nothing".


65 posted on 05/05/2006 9:15:37 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (North American distributor for Mohammed Urinals. Franchises available.)
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To: RKV
Why Isn't Socialism Dead

Because they haven't plundered every individual that has achieved
anything above mediocrity to within a hair's breath of his life yet.

66 posted on 05/05/2006 9:16:56 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: RKV

Socialism thrives on envy. Envy is one of the strongest motivators of human behavior.

I have always found it interesting that the Decalogue has four commandments that govern the relationship between God and man, five commandments that forbid certain behaviors, and a final commandment that forbids envy ("thou shalt not covet"), which is a habit of thought rather than an action.

Envy is the organizing principle of socialism and of most political parties. Envy, I think, is a far more potent force in democratic politics than rational thought. For one thing, it takes effort to exercise rational thought, and it takes effort to suppress the natural impulse of envy. Conversely, it takes no effort to indulge one's natural inclination to envy and rationalize it as an altruistic concern for the welfare of others.


67 posted on 05/05/2006 9:30:26 AM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: CarrotAndStick
Socialism will be alive as long as stupidity is popular.

Tagline material, thanks.

68 posted on 05/05/2006 9:32:01 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism will be alive as long as stupidity is popular.)
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To: RBroadfoot

Well put. I strongly agree.


69 posted on 05/05/2006 9:34:31 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Very good article. Reading through people's posts, I see that the majority of them agree: socialism survives precisely because it IS a religion, and that in fact was how it was presented.

As for capitalism, it is not the product of any one person (there's no cult-figure, such as Marx, Lenin or Che Guevara) and is not, in a sense, something that was planned but is more or less the natural order of humanity, based on the right of human beings to own property individually and dispose of it as they wish. Hence it's not dramatic enough and it's a little bit hard to dress it up. No "Capitalist Day" parades, for example! Most of all, it's not a religion, in any way, shape or form, whereas Socialism is.


70 posted on 05/05/2006 9:39:56 AM PDT by livius
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To: safeasthebanks
Why would the rich care if someone else also gets rich? It's not a zero sum game!

But a lot of people with inherited wealth, especially, don't know that. You and I do, but Kennedys and Rockefellers seem not to understand it. That's because they have never ahd to earn anything.

71 posted on 05/05/2006 9:54:28 AM PDT by TBP
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To: RKV
Even here in the (sort of) capitalist US, high taxes (and particularly "progressive" income taxes) are designed to prevent hard working middle class people from getting rich.

That is why we have an income tax, not a wealth tax. (Not that I'm advocating a wealth tax.)

72 posted on 05/05/2006 9:56:23 AM PDT by TBP
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To: RKV

"Men need myths -- and until capitalism can come up with a transformative myth of its own, it may well be that many men will prefer to find their myths in the same place they found them in the first part of the twentieth century -- the myth of revolutionary socialism."

Capitalism HAS a narrative of its own, which is a major reason socialism has been discredited. And that's the narrative of rising standards of living based on a competitive marketplace. Not too complicated.


73 posted on 05/05/2006 9:57:55 AM PDT by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: RKV

Why isn't socialism dead? Because there will always be people who will try to leech off the production of others without compensation.


74 posted on 05/05/2006 10:00:46 AM PDT by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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To: BackInBlack
"Capitalism HAS a narrative of its own." Yep. It's called "Western Civilization." This has gotten a bad rap in certain circles (e.g. academia). I for one, went to school when it was still in "fashion." We need to send a few more of the pinheaded little psuedo-intellectuals to some places in the third world for a try out of non-western civilization. They would like what we have a bit better afterward. Michael Crichton has a great scene in his book State of Fear where the cannibals start to eat the fuzzy headed liberal by slicing off his cheeks. So much for the noble savage.
75 posted on 05/05/2006 10:15:11 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

As long as one person has one dollar more than some other people, we'll have socialism. My own belief is that much of socialism is based on nothing more than envy. That is behind much of the shrill denunciations of ceos who haul down hugh settlement bonuses. Even though many of the people denouncing the ceos are doing very well themselves. Socialism is the economic system of losers. Socialists are people who have failed and want others to fail as bad as they have.


76 posted on 05/05/2006 12:31:44 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Flavius Josephus

And I think China is behind it.

^^^^

That is my first thought as well. We are witnessing a race to see if Freedom or Chinese communist control spreads faster in the next ten years. The confounding factor is that individual Chinese are joining the middle class at a great rate, which never really happened behind the Iron Curtain, and they may not want to look on the US as a Great Satan.


77 posted on 05/05/2006 1:57:07 PM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: livius
As for capitalism, it is not the product of any one person (there's no cult-figure, such as Marx, Lenin or Che Guevara) and is not, in a sense, something that was planned but is more or less the natural order of humanity, based on the right of human beings to own property individually and dispose of it as they wish.
IOW, capitalism is social in nature - unlike "social"ism, which is a deceptively coined word. All leftists reflexively distort the term, "social;" leftists say "society should" when they mean nothing other than that government "should" do (whatever). IOW, leftists posture as standing for "society" when what they actually advocate is not social-ism but government-ism - tyranny.

Socialism stands for government ownership of the means of production, which means that socialism takes not only the means of production but the particular goods to be produced as a given (After all, different goods require different means of production). If the goods to be produced are taken as a given, the idea of physical progress has been rejected. So much for the leftist's claim to the mantle of "progressive" - leftists are profoundly reactionary.

With capitalism, "the poor" in America have reached the standard of living enjoyed by the middle class only 50 years ago. And considering the advantages in travel, in convenience, and in medical care for self and family, an American secretary today would not care to live in the circumstances of Queen Victoria (1819-1901). Socialism would have prevented all, or nearly all, of that progress. Over any appreciable period of time, socialism shares not wealth, but poverty.


78 posted on 05/05/2006 6:52:26 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: edpc

 

Finally, after eight years in this forum, someone has inadvertently offered me the excuse to post a picture of Giada.

79 posted on 05/05/2006 7:01:11 PM PDT by Fintan (Somebody has to post stupid & inane comments. May as well be me...)
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To: Clemenza
As long as half the population is on the left side of the bell curve, and responds to populist idiocy that "I am a failure because the rich are taking it all", socialism will continue to thrive.

That is easily one of the best posts I have read in a long time (I corrected the "rich" thingy). It is dead nuts on the money and ooooooh so true.
80 posted on 05/05/2006 7:04:25 PM PDT by last american
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