IRS, Social Security Administration could slow illegal immigration

The Mercury News ^ | Sat, Apr. 22, 2006 | LIZ CHANDLER

[TheLion]

WASHINGTON - Two federal agencies are refusing to turn over a mountain of evidence that investigators could use to indict the nation's burgeoning workforce of illegal immigrants and the firms that employ them.

Last week, immigration cops trumpeted the arrests of nearly 1,200 illegal workers in a massive sting on a single company, but they admit that they relied on old-fashioned confidential informants and an unsolicited tip to get their investigation going.

It didn't have to be that hard.

The IRS and the Social Security Administration routinely collect strong evidence of potential workplace crimes, including names and addresses of millions of people who are using bogus Social Security numbers, their wage records and the identities of the bosses who knowingly hire them.

But they keep those facts secret.

[potlatch]

Thanks for the ping!

[KarlInOhio]

May I please ask which credit check service you use (or used) and how satisfied you were. I ask not just for myself...but I was going to suggest to my brother that he do the same for his daughter (hearing about identity theives now hijacking children's ID.)

You are allowed to get a free credit report once per year from each of the major credit reporting agencies. You have to go through http://www.annualcreditreport.com to get it. I think the agencies will charge you if you go directly to them.

I just went through there to get my Equifax report today.

[rohn]

Think you may have hit the nail on the head!

My latest nightmare:

1)Politicians "legalize" illegal aliens.
2)They bring in extended families to get all the benefits.
3)They get John Edwards type lawyers to generate a class action suit to reclaim the money they paid into the system using bogus SSN numbers.
4)Social Security system collapses under the chaos.
5)Money to fix it taken from other programs.
6)People like my mom, who paid into the system for years, are penalized, while now former illegals reap an undeserved windfall,

Think about it,
Rohn

[oprahstheantichrist]

"Neither the Dems nor the AARP have controlled Congress for the past 12 years...."

You're right, I should have been more specific. I didn't mean the Democratic Party itself as much as ALL the leftist elites in general. Republican politicians are terrified of their constituents en masse, who routinely lap up what's fed to them by Oprah, Hollywood, and pop-news, and spit it back out at the ballot box.

So out of fear and confusion, the Republicans fold and become cowards.

[oprahstheantichrist]

"Think about it,

Yup. See my post below yours.

[pepsionice]

This is a rather simple thing to fix...if you guys think about it.

You go to your local state revenue guys and legislature. Since the Feds won't make a national ID card...fine...make a state ID card. Want to get hired in Texas? Show your state ID (limited to only people who can show birth certificates, social security cards, VISA, etc). And you will run the number through social security to confirm its not a dead guy in front of you. Then you attach a "FEE" to every employer who hires someone without the state ID...of $10k per individual per violation. The FEE goes straight into your highway fund...we make this real simple so state infrastructure gets the plus-up here.

Sit and watch the state revenue guys smile....you could be talking about 10,000 violations a year...multiplied by $10k each. The first year...you'd make a vast fortune...and probably bankrupt a couple of companies in the process. Did they deserve bankruptcy? Yep...if you can't obey the law...then you are in violation and deserve every tax or fee they dish out. Its rather simple. Forget about the Feds....they aren't going to fix anything. Isn't that obvious by now? Every hour...every day...every week...that you wait for the federal government to fix the situation...is just wasted time. They have no reason. But your state could find some very good financial reasons to get involved...and if there is revenue involved...all the more reason to step in.

[tophat9000]

If you want to know if an illegal in using your SSN... just go to your local state or fed tax board and ask for a print out of income reported under your SSN for the tax year and see if more then one name (your) comes up....

tell them you misplaced your w2....

and if more then one name is reporting under your SSN.... don't expect the state or fed to give a damn (they don't and they will tell you that)...they will not even offer or provide any help to you to stop or catch the person using your SSN

[brianl703]

Visa and Mastercard numbers are 16 digits. The chances of coming up with a random valid number are very small and that is by design. There is also a checksum built into the card number, which is the first test used to determine whether or not it's valid. (Of course anyone who knows how the checksum works can create a number that will pass the checksum test, so it's mostly useful for preventing data entry errors).

SSNs are only 9 digits. The chances of coming up with a valid SSN are much higher..I believe about 1 in 4, assuming 250 million valid SSNs. There is also no checksum.

[Sen Jack S. Fogbound]

"SSNs are only 9 digits. The chances of coming up with a valid SSN are much higher..I believe about 1 in 4, assuming 250 million valid SSNs. There is also no checksum."

Thanks for the very good information. I would hope the SSA is aware of this, and take action to upgrade their system accordingly.

The System was designed in 1935 and is antiqued in many ways. Plus all that patchworks of legislations in attempt to "fix" it.

[ntnychik]

Thanks for the ping!

[nicmarlo]

Two federal agencies are refusing to turn over a mountain of evidence that investigators could use to indict the nation's burgeoning workforce of illegal immigrants and the firms that employ them.

BumPing!

[Borax Queen]

Great, they put the mark of the beast on us the minute we are born, but won't do anything about the invaders.

[nicmarlo]

That's globalism for you.

[Czar]

"Two federal agencies are refusing to turn over a mountain of evidence that investigators could use to indict the nation's burgeoning workforce of illegal immigrants and the firms that employ them."

So, once again loyal American citizens find their federal government aligned against them.

Why?

[Liz]

bttt

[nicmarlo]

Why is an excellent question, well-deserving of an HONEST answer!

[nicmarlo]

Thanks for bumping post #50, liz...I would have missed it. Interesting, muawiyah....didn't even know about this scheme:

....Having their new illegal alien workers sign up for a bond-a-month program allows them to get their hands on that much more of the wage they are paying them, and also to trick IRS into thinking this is a legitimate employee.

Ping to post #50. Any insight into this by any of you?

[Liz]

Excellent point by muawiyah on the savings bond angle. Need to research that a bit more.

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Now, here's another route through the illegal morass:

All public officials---elected and appointed--- in their capacity as fiduciaries of public monies, are required, by law, to be bonded. The express purpose of bonding is to protect the public's money. Each state sets their own regulations.

Now, say public funds went missing and the public official failed to get bond coverage; the state would have no way to recover that money other than restitution through a criminal prosecution.

If it is determined a public official failed to apply for bond coverage, he/she has broken the law and is subject to an actionable offense.

Public entities that mandate bonding include: Municipalities, counties, townships, school districts, ambulance districts, volunteer fire departments, community college districts, public universities, transit authorities, landfills, sewage treatment facilities, public works maintenance facilities, airports.

Concerns on this issue center on instances when elected and appointed public officials allowed government agencies to misuse tax dollars-----allowing illegals to use phony documentation to get government benefits, to vote in elections for tax-exempt municipal financing issues, and the like...........this is an example of fiduciary negligence, and could violate the state's bonding regulations, and the bonding requirements of the carrier.

Now, if a public official with bonding had previous financial problems---perhaps a bankruptcy or a job loss for financial improprieties, etc---that they failed to reveal to bonding agents, that might subject them to legal penalties.

Public officials who do not qualify for bonding should be tossed out of office. Public officials who lied on bonding applications might be subjected to fines or imprisonment.

[nicmarlo]

Public officials who do not qualify for bonding should be tossed out of office. Public officials who lied on bonding applications might be subjected to fines or imprisonment. I assume this information has public access rights, and that the county clerk's office would be the agency from which to obtain the status of the various public officials?

[stephenjohnbanker]

"allowing illegals to use phony documentation to get government benefits, to vote in elections for tax-exempt municipal financing issues, and the like...........this is an example of fiduciary negligence, and could violate the state's bonding regulations, and the bonding requirements of the carrier."


Ya gotta hand it to Liz; she comes up with some truly clever ideas!