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Saudis Mull Electric Fence On Iraqi Border
Yahoooooooooo via Christian Science Monitor ^ | 4/20/06

Posted on 04/20/2006 8:53:51 AM PDT by areafiftyone

JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA - Apparently concerned that fighting in Iraq could spill over into this oil-rich kingdom, Saudi Arabia is considering a major fortification of its 500-mile border with Iraq.

"The government is thinking of building an electrified fence along the whole border with Iraq in case things go really badly in Iraq, and it starts falling apart," says a security adviser to the Saudi government, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the government has not made any official announcement of such plans.It has, however, admitted that it is looking at strengthening its border defenses.

"We are currently conducting a study on technical defense systems which we can use to beef up security measures along the border," Mansour al-Turki, an Interior Ministry spokesman, told the daily Al-Riyadh.

The border with Iraq lies mostly in barren desert. A 20-foot-tall sand berm that runs its entire length provides the first line of defense. Parallel to that is a second berm and a tall fence topped with barbed wire, with a six-mile-wide no-man's land separating the two barriers.

But despite the barriers and extensive electronic surveillance by Saudi border guards using motion detectors and night-vision cameras, some US critics have claimed that suicide bombers have been sneaking across the Saudi border into Iraq to join the insurgency.

One high-level European diplomat in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, defended the Saudi effort at securing its border in Iraq. "I don't think border security is really a problem," says the diplomat, who requested anonymity because of the issue's sensitive nature. "We're impressed with what the Saudis are doing. The problem is with the Americans in Iraq. The American-controlled side of the Iraqi border is less secure because they don't have enough troops deployed there."

According to a recent report compiled by Saudi defense analyst Nawaf Obaid, using government data, the kingdom has already spent $1.8 billion securing its border with Iraq since 2004. "But this amount has been mostly for the deployment of additional troops on the border and not for actual physical defenses," says Mr. Obaid in a telephone interview.

In his report, "Meeting the Challenge of a Fragmented Iraq: A Saudi Perspective," which was published this month by Georgetown University's Center for Strategic and International Studies, Obaid calls for the creation of a permanent border security committee to tackle cross-border issues between the kingdom and Iraq.

"One of the most critical tasks facing such a committee [is to strengthen] security on the Iraqi side of the border. It is in the interests of both Saudi Arabia and Iraq to confront challenges such as smuggling and terrorist infiltration that an insecure border presents," writes Obaid.

One of the kingdom's major concerns is that Iraq's sectarian violence may spill over and agitate tensions between Saudi Arabia's Sunni Muslims, a majority of the population, and its minority Shiite community. Adherents of two sects that split centuries ago, Sunnis and Shiites have a rocky history of coexistence in many countries.

In Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah has tried to ease tensions between the country's Sunnis and its Shiites, who are concentrated in its oil-rich eastern province. But Shiites are still often discriminated against in education and the job market and are regularly criticized by Salafist preachers - hard-line Sunnis - who claim that Shiites are not real Muslims.

"The Saudis are afraid of what may come out of Iraq in the future, because of the threat of Al Qaeda infiltrators and Shia [Shiite] fighters coming across the border," says Faris Bin Hizam, a Saudi journalist and specialist on Al Qaeda, in a phone interview from Dubai, U.A.E.

"The new wave of Shias coming out of Iran and Iraq are more dangerous than the Shias in 1979 during the Iranian Revolution that brought Khomeini to power. Then, there was Saddam Hussein to oppose them. Now, he isn't in power anymore," explains Mr. Bin Hizam. "I see a very difficult future for the whole region as it's not only Saudi Arabia that fears a Shia uprising, but other Gulf countries, Jordan, and Egypt as well."

But it is not only on the Iraqi border that Saudi Arabia feels threatened. Its 900-mileborder with Yemen has long been a transit point for smugglers of weapons and drugs, and terrorists sneaking into the country. Running through mountains in the west into Saudi Arabia's barren Empty Quarter in the east, the border with Yemen has been difficult to patrol and impossible to seal off completely. Smugglers have even reportedly trained goods-laden mules to avoid Saudi border guards.

In an attempt to control the border, Saudi Arabia began building a fence but was forced to freeze the project in 2004 after strong protests from the Yemeni government.

"The Saudi government has a habit of overspending on security, and the Yemeni fence project will cost upwards of over $10 billion once it is finished," says Ali al-Ahmad, director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, a Saudi opposition think tank in Washington. In an e-mail exchange, Mr. Ahmad contends that the security fence along the Yemeni border has failed to stop weapons, drugs, terrorists, and illegal workers from "flooding" into the kingdom.

Ahmad believes that the Yemeni border poses a greater risk than the Iraqi border, in part because Yemen is a key weapons source for Al Qaeda operatives in Saudi Arabia. The sparsely populated border with Iraq is also easier to protect, he says, lending itself to electronic and visual surveillance methods, which are cheaper than a new fence.

Bin Hizam agrees with Ahmad, saying the length of the Iraqi border makes building an electrified fence along the entire length of it economically unviable. But Western security and construction firms are reportedly standing ready.

"A consortium of British, French, and American firms are interested in bidding for a contract to improve border security," the European diplomat confirmed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: border; goodfence; iran; iraq; isis; moat; saudiarabia; wall

1 posted on 04/20/2006 8:53:53 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
But but but fences don't work!
2 posted on 04/20/2006 8:54:56 AM PDT by null and void (America: It's too late to work within the system, but it's too early to start shooting the bastards.)
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To: areafiftyone

WHAT? They want to put up a fence? Nope, can't do that. They would be racist to do that. Where is the WORLD outcry?

Oh wait...sorry. This only applies to the United States. All other countries can control their borders. Move along.


3 posted on 04/20/2006 8:56:31 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: MadeInAmerica

"This only applies to the United States".

And Israel. Remember the storm in the UN (Useless Nations) when Israel continued building their protective wall, which WORKS!

We need some damned walls built in the US, too.


4 posted on 04/20/2006 8:58:32 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: areafiftyone

Don't WHIZ on the electric fence!


5 posted on 04/20/2006 8:58:58 AM PDT by Allegra (FREERIDERS DO IT ON THE ECONOMY.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

That's right. Israel got HAMMERED for their fence. But....it WORKS.


6 posted on 04/20/2006 8:59:35 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: Allegra

What about the poor free range camel!


7 posted on 04/20/2006 9:00:28 AM PDT by txroadhawg ("Stuck on stupid? I invented stupid! " Al Gore)
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To: areafiftyone

OK. And we can send a few hundred Mexi- Illeg- Undocumented immigrants to test it.


8 posted on 04/20/2006 9:10:27 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: txroadhawg

KFC - Kentucky Fried Camel!


9 posted on 04/20/2006 9:14:57 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone

A fence on the border? No way, that sends the wrong message, wouldn't be prudent.


10 posted on 04/20/2006 9:18:09 AM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name! And the White House has a fence around it!)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

Absolutely.

Why is it that most civilized nations protect their land from gangs, terrorists and other thugs with the use of concrete and wire fencing?

Why cannot we do the same to protect ourselves?


11 posted on 04/20/2006 9:27:29 AM PDT by Emmet Fitzhume ("Shining with brightness, Always on surveillance.")
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To: areafiftyone

An electric fence is an excellent idea. In fact they should put up two running parallel to each other with a space of say 30 feet between them. Hey, that sounds like something we need and should have.


12 posted on 04/20/2006 9:30:55 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: areafiftyone

Clearly, the Saudis see what's going on in Iraq and are deathly afraid of democracy spilling over the border.


13 posted on 04/20/2006 9:32:56 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: txroadhawg
What about the poor free range camel!

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14 posted on 04/20/2006 9:34:57 AM PDT by b4its2late (Liberals are as confused as a hungry baby in a topless bar.)
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To: areafiftyone

Amazing- a bunch of camel riders in dresses know how important a border is!!!!!


15 posted on 04/20/2006 9:37:12 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: txroadhawg
What about the poor free range camel!

They should NOT LICK the fence!

16 posted on 04/20/2006 9:37:47 AM PDT by Allegra (FREERIDERS DO IT ON THE ECONOMY.)
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To: b4its2late

ROFLMAO!!


17 posted on 04/20/2006 9:38:29 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Are you interested in this?


18 posted on 04/20/2006 9:56:02 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: areafiftyone

Good Fences Make Good Neighbors


19 posted on 04/20/2006 10:00:21 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: areafiftyone
I say we allow U.S. contractors to build the fence as "On The Job Training" for the fence we need to build on our southern border. Gives us a chance to work out all the kinks before we build our own.

Did anyone else find this line of the article strange.

One high-level European diplomat in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, defended the Saudi effort at securing its border in Iraq. "I don't think border security is really a problem," says the diplomat, who requested anonymity because of the issue's sensitive nature. "We're impressed with what the Saudis are doing. The problem is with the Americans in Iraq. The American-controlled side of the Iraqi border is less secure because they don't have enough troops deployed there."

So suicide bombers are entering Iraq from Saudi Arabia, but the source says that's the U.S.' fault for not guarding the border?

Best Regards

Sergio

20 posted on 04/20/2006 11:13:03 AM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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