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Immigration Debate Is Killing GOP
Yahoo ^ | April 10, 2006 | John McIntyre

Posted on 04/10/2006 2:03:58 PM PDT by Jack Black

Republicans face a growing disaster on immigration. Right now the GOP is sailing on a dangerous course where they are increasingly turning off two pillars of their new majority. The first pillar is the talk-radio portion of the Republican base led by Rush Limbaugh (and the many who have followed in his wake) that provide a tremendous amount of energy to the conservative movement. The second pillar the GOP is endangering is the Hispanic community, the single largest growing demographic in American politics. In 2004, President Bush increased his share of the Hispanic vote to around 40% nationally. Had John Kerry been able win the same percentage of the Hispanic vote as Al Gore in 2000, he would have won the presidency.

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The problem for Republicans is they are split and not speaking with one voice. The result is that they are managing to turn off both of these vital constituencies. Beltway pundits who casually throw aside the concern of the conservative base on this issue make a mistake and underestimate voter intensity on the illegal immigration problem. For a conservative base already demoralized by a Republican-led Congress incapable of cutting spending and frustrated by a war that is either portrayed as floundering (or actually is floundering), abdication of responsibility on the illegal immigration mess may be the last straw that compels many conservatives to sit on their hands this November.

If you think Republicans are picking up support in the Hispanic community for how they are dealing with immigration, you'd be wrong. The Hispanic community is focusing on the severely PR-challenged House bill which has sparked enormous public demonstrations -- political energy that will not be helpful for Republicans this fall. It doesn't matter that an overwhelmingly majority of House Republicans voted to take the felon language out of the Sensenbrenner bill but were defeated by Democrats who cynically (but shrewdly) voted to keep the language intact. Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record) tried to explain on FOX News Sunday that the House bill is being distorted and humanitarians aiding illegals wouldn't be prosecuted, but it is too late. The House bill is killing Republicans in the Hispanic community.

So right now Republicans have managed to create a political environment on immigration that further demoralizes their base while at the same time angers the largest growing electoral demographic critical to a long-term GOP majority. Is it any wonder Senator Schumer implored Harry Reid to scuttle the Senate "compromise"? The last thing the Democrats want, from a political standpoint, is to resolve the immigration issue.

Even though Schumer and many Democrats don't want an immigration bill, Republicans should be happy the Senate compromise went down in flames. If something like the Senate bill were to become law it would be a disaster for Republicans because the conservative base will revolt if a Republican President and Congress attempts a rerun of the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty of 20 years ago. When you strip it all down, that is essentially what the Senate compromise McCain and Kennedy were crowing about last week would be.

It would be counterproductive to suggest there are easy answers to our broken immigration system. There aren't. Any solution that expects to pass, and to have the backing of the country, means there will have to be compromise on all sides. If the need for good public policy can't get the Republicans to come together and get something done, then maybe fear of losing their majorities in Congress might compel some real leadership.

Unlike the Social Security stalemate, a compromise is possible, but it needs to be a compromise between McCain and Kyl, not McCain and Kennedy. Republican leaders should try and get as many Democrats on board as possible, but with Republicans in control of the House, Senate and the White House; Republicans have an obligation to lead irrespective of whether the Democrats wish to cooperate.

With an understanding going in that each side is going to have to give up something they deem non-negotiable, here is a rough outline around which a deal could be formed:

- it needs to be made clear (particularly to the Hispanic community) that the problem is illegal immigration not legal immigration.

-the flow of illegal immigrants has to be stopped. This is not about hiring x thousand more border agents or throwing more money at the problem. First, this means building a fence and securing the border. And second, fines and prison for employers and business owners that hire illegals. Law enforcement needs to be focused at the border and then within the country on employers, not the workers. The fact that you will not stop the illegal flow 100% misses the point and ignores the 90%-99% you will stop.

-the number of legal immigration slots needs to dramatically be increased. (Again, it has to be emphasized over and over that the problem is with illegal immigration, not legal immigration.)

-there needs to be some pathway to citizenship provided for the 11 million illegals here right now.

The right is going to cry amnesty at any process that puts illegals on a pathway to citizenship while still being able to live in the U.S. The left is going to balk at a real fence and shutting down the border. But liberals who say they are for enforcement and securing the border are going to have a hard time opposing the only real way to secure the border. And the only way conservatives will stomach what is effectively a 2nd amnesty is if they know a fence will go up and the illegal flow will grind to a halt.

With the President's leadership a compromise along these lines is possible. However, right now Bush and the GOP Congress appear rudderless; hoping gerrymandered House districts and not quite enough Republican Senate seats in play will keep them in power. Unfortunately for conservatives, it looks like they would rather play those odds than lead and grow their majority.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; elections; gop; gopdemise; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; issues
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1 posted on 04/10/2006 2:04:00 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

"The second pillar the GOP is endangering is the Hispanic community,"

LOL!!!!


2 posted on 04/10/2006 2:05:23 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Jack Black

Hear it comes..the shouts of "leftist lying media!"

"GOP voters are thrilled with GOP leadership!"

"Bush's low approval ratings are all lies!"

"GOP Congressional low approval ratings are all lies too!"


3 posted on 04/10/2006 2:05:55 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: Jack Black

No amnesty. Not now. Not ever. Seal the borders and then start deporting. Bring in legal migrants.


4 posted on 04/10/2006 2:06:08 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: Jack Black

If the immigration debate - which is an open & shut case - is killing the GOP, then the GOP deserves to die.

And this is coming from someone who NEVER voted for any Dim in his life.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 2:06:16 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Jack Black
The House bill is killing Republicans in the Hispanic community.

Really? It isn't killing the Hispanic vote in my home. My wife is for far more "draconian" actions against illegals than HR 4437 calls for.

6 posted on 04/10/2006 2:06:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: Jack Black

Let's coin a term. Immigration jihad.......


7 posted on 04/10/2006 2:06:57 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (labor unions are socialism's shock troops)
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To: Jack Black

If the GOP would stand on principle, that is the upholding of the rule of law, they will do fine. If they don't, they will get killed.


8 posted on 04/10/2006 2:07:51 PM PDT by Bahbah (Harry Reid is a Liar;Ted Kennedy is a BIG FAT Liar: edited by tiredoflaundry)
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To: Jack Black

False crisis disinfo pretending to placate "conservatives" (really just about everyone), while pushing through amnesty. Who pays this guy?


9 posted on 04/10/2006 2:08:07 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Acts 2:38


Ahhh...well, it's pretty obvious there's a lot of leftist wishfull thinking spin in this...so, what's your point?


10 posted on 04/10/2006 2:08:22 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Acts 2:38

You should have your meds adjusted.


11 posted on 04/10/2006 2:08:27 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Jack Black
"The second pillar the GOP is endangering is the Hispanic community,..."


Nice try.... but no-ones bitin'.

Hasn't it been proven time and time again here on FR that LEGAL hispanics WANT increased border security, immigration reform and are AGAINST "Amnesty"?
12 posted on 04/10/2006 2:08:33 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Bahbah

"If they don't, they will get killed."

I 'spect a killin' is what they will get.


13 posted on 04/10/2006 2:09:35 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Jack Black
The right is going to cry amnesty at any process that puts illegals on a pathway to citizenship while still being able to live in the U.S. The left is going to balk at a real fence and shutting down the border. But liberals who say they are for enforcement and securing the border are going to have a hard time opposing the only real way to secure the border. And the only way conservatives will stomach what is effectively a 2nd amnesty is if they know a fence will go up and the illegal flow will grind to a halt.

You don't split the difference with criminals.

Next?

14 posted on 04/10/2006 2:09:41 PM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: Jack Black

A sound reasoned analysis, you will soon be eviscerated.


15 posted on 04/10/2006 2:10:00 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: L98Fiero

16 posted on 04/10/2006 2:10:18 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Jack Black
And what percentage of legal, voting Hispanics are also against illegal immigration?
17 posted on 04/10/2006 2:10:50 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

60 in '06!


18 posted on 04/10/2006 2:10:50 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: Jack Black
The Hispanic community is focusing on the severely PR-challenged House bill which has sparked enormous public demonstrations -- political energy that will not be helpful for Republicans this fall

If the GOP keeps to it's guns (maybe softening the House Bill somewhat) and not let a bill pass that does not contain some type of increased border enforcement and employer penalties then I think the GOP is OK. RATS could be shown to be soft on American sovereignty.

19 posted on 04/10/2006 2:10:57 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: Jack Black
It doesn't matter that an overwhelmingly majority of House Republicans voted to take the felon language out of the Sensenbrenner bill but were defeated by Democrats who cynically (but shrewdly) voted to keep the language intact.

Who was the brain surgeon who put the felony language in the bill in the first place?

Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record) tried to explain on FOX News Sunday that the House bill is being distorted and humanitarians aiding illegals wouldn't be prosecuted, but it is too late. The House bill is killing Republicans in the Hispanic community.

King looked positively dopey trying to undo the damage that three months of allowing the false impression (if it is a false impression) to take a firm hold.

20 posted on 04/10/2006 2:11:23 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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