[axes_of_weezles]

Even the leftist moonbats are awakening to immigration issues. The Tucson Weekly is a leftist/alternative free newsweekly rag. Recently they have been publishing articles from Leo Banks instead of the atypical leftist moonbat rants. Apparently the moonbats are having issues keepig up with the hyperbole on immigration.

[Travis McGee]

The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding this subject is staggering, chief among them the "Aztlan" fairy tales. What's the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The "conquistadores" (that means "conquerers") did it with the lance, and the lash.

For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico searching for "cities of gold," and one of his first actions on meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest--not nicely! It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners today!

By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current US Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of independent but strife-torn Mexico. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south.

For example, Comanches ran rampant in the 1830s in this new power vacuum, burning scores of major ranches that had been around for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal citizens in these regions. Nor could it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living.

Meanwhile, a growing America was making great inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these states subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves "Mexicans" at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN.

So how long did Mexico City have even nominal control over the Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards until the arrival of the Americans. Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years.

And now, we are supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some "historical claim" of a right to live there? From where does this absurd idea spring?

At what point in history did Indians from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

No current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!

They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.

[axes_of_weezles]

Tucson Bump

[cripplecreek]

Some of the most liberal people I know are vehemently opposed to illegal immigration. It wasn't always this way but they're realizing that it's not about humanitarian issues or jobs.

[Tzimisce]

The reason they want to be here is because of the social spending - cut that off and they'll all go home.

Their cries for a separate nation are a joke - welfare, social security, food stamps - they'll all dry up without John Q Taxpayer.

[Mr. Mojo]

Here are some of the sound bites in what passes for a "debate" on the immigration issue:

"We are a nation of immigrants." -- countless talking heads
"This is not an amnesty plan." --President George W. Bush
"How would you like to pay $1.50 for a head of lettuce?" -- activist warning of "severe" price spikes if the cheap migrant labor source dries up

The author forgot the big one: "They're doing jobs Americans just won't do." - GWB

[seastay]

The idea that we are a nation of immigrants is misleading because more people have been born in this country and lived here as full blooded Americans than the total number immigrants who came to this country ever.

Immigration averaged only 235,000 persons per year prior to the disastrous 1965 Immigration Act. That's only 47 million immigrants over the course of our nation's history.

Compared to our current population of nearly 300 million, that's not much. And then, if we add all the people who have lived before in the United States, we are approaching a billion total Americans who live now or who have lived .

[Moonman62]

Even the leftist moonbats are awakening to immigration issues. The Tucson Weekly is a leftist/alternative free newsweekly rag.

I wondered why their were profanities.

[backhoe]

I have been psuedo-blogging, for years, a couple of the elements in WWIV ( III being the Cold War ), in which we find ourselves engaged.

The first element?

Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:

The other, somewhat interlocking element is this one:

"Thunder on the Border," click the picture:

That infamous"Mexican Flag Superior, American in Distress" is in the upper left corner...

[reelfoot]

There's certainly not much of a debate going on in the mainstream media. I don't hear them talking about the crime rampant among immigrants, the huge cost to American taxpayers who provide free schooling and emergency room care, and the contempt for the law of not only entering illegally but also driving while drunk with no driver's license, no insurance, and then not showing up to answer the DUI charges.

Not to speak of the cultural deterioration.

[NaughtiusMaximus]

The Arizona State Capital is closing down early on Monday in the face of the Frijolista march. The war is over guys, our side surrendered.

Mayor's voice from Simpsons: "And let me be the first to welcome our new Alien overlords."

Oh well . . . (waving little Aztlan flag listlessly) . . . at least you can smoke anywhere you want.

[L98Fiero]

"We are a nation of immigrants. --countless talking heads"

I am sick to death of hearing this bold-faced lie. It's about time I saw someone refute that in print.

[manwiththehands]

Woo Hoo! Tom Danehy has a new fan!

Great article and excellent point all through.

I would pay $3 for a head of lettuce as opposed to $1.29 if I knew I was helping to pay for some American kid's date and/or college money.

[Shuttle Shucker]

The more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more reformers inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back monopolists' abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with economic refugees. Here's an interesting new thread on new legal progress that finally emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts

We can make a difference for our sake, and their's as well. Isn't it the neighborly thing to do?

[HiJinx]

Must Read Ping!

Personally, I'd be willing to kick in that extra 21 cents for the knowledge that a head of lettuce hadn't been picked by some foreign guy who risked his life to get here just so he could be dicked over by some giant agribusiness corporation.

Well, now, that's calling a spade a spade....