[reformedliberal]

Being expelled or suspended will mean nothing to them. It will just *prove* that they are *discriminated against* and used to justify whatever they feel like doing in return.

I have lived a fairly long time. This is just unreal and I don't recall it happening anywhere before. It is in-your-face rejection of our civil society. As such, any progressive is going to have a hard time sanctioning it and the rest of us are already furious and, in some cases, afraid of the future.

What is it going to take for the mass of Americans, the legal ones, the citizens, to stand up and take our country back? I have no faith that an armed uprising will accomplish anything, except to get Americans arrested and fined and incarcerated....or maybe a few will die in any subsequent riots. I am losing faith that we can do anything at the ballot box. Anyone with the money and party backing to even become a viable candidate will be bought in advance or, if not, then sabotaged.

Withhold taxes? Fines and jail and forfeiture. Tax revolt using an escrow account? The government can use garnishment to take what they want from any account. Millions of us in the street? Maybe it would be a wake-up call, but I can see it being used to brand us all as racists. A general strike in America? Won't happen and would take weeks before it was felt and even then, it would hurt the average hourly worker the most.

What do we realistically do about this that will work?

[Kozak]

Being expelled or suspended will mean nothing to them. It will just *prove* that they are *discriminated against* and used to justify whatever they feel like doing in return.

Fine with me. If they break the law then they should all be jailed. Eventually if we stop bending to them, they will start to get the message that we really mean business.

[SheLion]

What do we realistically do about this that will work?

Not to sound gross, but this reminds me of a saying my hubby used to say about our government:  "They have us by the short hairs."

ugh!

[ridesthemiles]

A general strike in America? Won't happen and would take weeks before it was felt and even then, it would hurt the average hourly worker the most."

I disagree that it would takes weeks for it to be felt.
So much moves by truck that within 3 days, there would be chaos. Most people have no more than 2-3 days of food on hand. Grocery stores on every corner have made it all too handy to buy your making for dinner that night based upon your thought process at 2PM that day. No one seems to plan their meals like our parents did.
Everyone has 5 TV's and X-Box stuff and computers. No one has a pantry or a large freezer. Small cars means small gas tanks and no gas for a couple of days would get some attention. Gas is replenished every day by truck. Just because it happens at 2 AM and you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
I for one, like the idea of a general strike.

I call for the 4th of July as most appropriate, with the 3rd and the 5th as a sandwich.

Any takers????

[Deo et Patria]

Annex Mexico, as I've described below. That will definitely work.

[Strzelec]

I believe that, with a little thought and patience, much can be done. However, most people don't feel illegal immigration is a problem unless they are personally affected by it. And by "personally affected", I mean (1) their physical security is threatened, and/or (2) their financial security is threatened.

Personally, I view my job as being two-fold; first, lead by example by getting my own house in order (i.e. cut my own grass, clean my own house, avoid knowingly supporting companies and other that hire illegal aliens), and second, "educating" my neighbors and acquaintances about the effects of illegal immigration on their security.

The second part is real fun! I try to be subtle and avoid being in their face. For example, I cut my own grass, and I try to time it when the neighbors are out and about. I do a pretty good job, and I sometimes get asked why I don't hire it out. I take this as an opportunity to do some "educating". After explaining that I like the healthy outdoor exercise, I casually drop a comment about some "security concerns" I have about using non-bonded help around the house. This usually leads to a conversation along the lines of "I'm sure your maid Maria is very nice and wouldn't do anything wrong, but who knows who she talks to about what she sees in your home...to me, it's not worth the 50 bucks a month to have to worry about a break in". Gets some of the neighbors thinking - I've noticed they've either started to do the work themselves, or are using bonded services.

Won't bore you with how I operate at community meetings when topics touching on illegal immigration comes up - suffice to say, I like to make innocent comments as if the Reconquista was an accomplished fact. For example, after some particularly outrageous pandering by a couple of pols I asked a "procedural" question about when (not if) the local schools would be required to teach Spanish to all students, and what other subjects would be dropped to accommodate this. Got some dirty looks - and some surprised ones, too. It's obvious for some folks this was the first time they considered the negative ramifications of illegal immigration.

Bottom line to me? These "clashes of civilizations" have been going on since the first two groups of humans moved within spittin' distance of each other. Their will always be groups pushing their agendas - we will just have to learn how to effectively push back.

[Strzelec]

I believe that, with a little thought and patience, much can be done. However, most people don't feel illegal immigration is a problem unless they are personally affected by it. And by "personally affected", I mean (1) their physical security is threatened, and/or (2) their financial security is threatened.

Personally, I view my job as being two-fold; first, lead by example by getting my own house in order (i.e. cut my own grass, clean my own house, avoid knowingly supporting companies and other that hire illegal aliens), and second, "educating" my neighbors and acquaintances about the effects of illegal immigration on their security.

The second part is real fun! I try to be subtle and avoid being in their face. For example, I cut my own grass, and I try to time it when the neighbors are out and about. I do a pretty good job, and I sometimes get asked why I don't hire it out. I take this as an opportunity to do some "educating". After explaining that I like the healthy outdoor exercise, I casually drop a comment about some "security concerns" I have about using non-bonded help around the house. This usually leads to a conversation along the lines of "I'm sure your maid Maria is very nice and wouldn't do anything wrong, but who knows who she talks to about what she sees in your home...to me, it's not worth the 50 bucks a month to have to worry about a break in". Gets some of the neighbors thinking - I've noticed they've either started to do the work themselves, or are using bonded services.

Won't bore you with how I operate at community meetings when topics touching on illegal immigration comes up - suffice to say, I like to make innocent comments as if the Reconquista was an accomplished fact. For example, after some particularly outrageous pandering by a couple of pols I asked a "procedural" question about when (not if) the local schools would be required to teach Spanish to all students, and what other subjects would be dropped to accommodate this. Got some dirty looks - and some surprised ones, too. It's obvious for some folks this was the first time they considered the negative ramifications of illegal immigration.

Bottom line to me? These "clashes of civilizations" have been going on since the first two groups of humans moved within spittin' distance of each other. Their will always be groups pushing their agendas - we will just have to learn how to effectively push back.