[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Exactly, and that is why they'll get hammered--because MOST sane Americans are willing to do the horsetrading needed to get their way, and look askance at those who insist on being lousy sports.

[Wasanother]

I think Conservatives need to take a deep breath and then say,"It wasn't the final bill, it wasn't the final bill". I was listening to Rush and some lady claimed Bush said Illegal Immigration is the backbone of our economy but I heard him say that Immigration is the backbone of our economy because we're almost all from legal immigrants which is true. Bush has also stated that he wants the guest worker program but the ones here illegally must get in back of the line, indicating he preferred they return to their native country first although he hasn't said that directly. If that was a condition of the final bill I believe Bush would still sign it. Bush doesn't make legislation and lord knows he's never vetoed one yet which I don't believe Immigration Reform will be the first.