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The Times indicates the Russian mole was fed disinfo - and the Russians did not know it was disinfo.

The problem with that theory is that my background in logistics tells me that the American invasion plan was no secret to Russian intel based on their ability to spy from satellites in space on our positions. The American invasion plan was clear to anyone who could see it from space because you could not hide such a deployment.

So I think (since even a stooge mole is still a mole and this mole has not been charged with spying now that the war is over and his usefulness gone) that the Russians were helping out the Americans spread disinfo to Saddam.

Remember, Russia wanted Saddam to voluntarily step down.

Why?

In hopes that if Saddam stepped down there would be no need for America to invade and the guy who would take over would be friendly to America but most importantly preserve the Russian oil contracts.

But you ask - would not the Russians want to keep Saddam in power to preserve said contracts? The answer is that everyone - including the Russians who warned America Saddam was planning an attack on the USA (Putin told Bush of this plot personally post 9/11-that is a fact) - knew Saddam was out and the only question was what way he would go out - and what kind of regime would replace him.

Welcome to the real world - its very grey and complicated.

More plausible is it sounds like the Russians were helping us out - no investigation is being planned either - a funny thing when you consider there may be a mole involved. No investigation means that there was no real mole but it covers for the American effort to sow disinfo (with Russian help) to Saddam in the hopes he decided to leave before the invasion started. The significance of telling Saddam America would not fight in the cities was to show the Baathists was because Iraq's strategy was to lure Americans into cities for urban fighting - the only equalizer the Iraqis could do to even out the odds against them somewhat. When the Russians told Iraq America was not going to drive into the cities the Baathists had no alternative strategy. The problem was that nutjob Saddam did not even believe America would invade so the hoped for impact this disinfo was supposed to have did not materialize.

Maybe a sly tip o' the hat to Russia is called for?

Before people start scratching their heads at that since Russia voted against the invasion - Germany was also against the Iraqi invasion in public but German intel was inside Iraq feeding America information at the same time.

1 posted on 03/26/2006 11:27:03 AM PST by Proctor
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please do not believe these russian troll opinion shapers. they are liars who come to these forums to propagandize and shill for putin.

"russia was helping us" HAHAHAHAHA do NOT believe these lies.





let's recall what putin did before the war...they were NOT "helping us"

respected WASHINGTON TIMES reporter BILL GERTZ in his book "Treachery" state that:
"Foreign munitions were used against coalition forces during the war and continue to be a potential source of explosives for improvised explosive devices still being used to kill U.S. soldiers."


Iraq's arms ["The big three arms suppliers were Russia (and the Soviet Union), China and France"] and "Russia supplied 122 different types of arms and a total of nearly 13 million items" Russian Delegation in Baghdad With Putin Message for Saddam Hussein

Moscow 'vehemently' opposes attacks on Iraq Sees Saddam's terror-sponsor state as 'long-term partner'





ask yourself, was russia "helping" us when they helped iran with numerous arms sales including a ONE BILLION DOLLAR DEAL??? they helped iran with having the ability for missiles to THREATEN EUROPE!

Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran

Russia will sell SAMs to Iran

Russia to meet pledge on air defense system deliveries to Iran

Iran and Russia sign $1 bln defense deal: reports

Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe

was russia "helping" us when they sold MiGs, helicopters, machine guns,submarines, training of venezuelan troops?

Venezuela Receives First Shipment of Russian Military Helicopters

Russia is ready to sell aircraft to Venezuela

Russia must begin the training, arming Venezuela's armed forces against US threat of invasion

Venezuela formalizes Russian arms deal

Venezuela to Buy Russian Submarines and Machine Guns

Hugo Chavez: MiGs, SAMs and 900,000 more assault rifles

ask yourself, was russia "helping" us when they said hamas was NOT a terrorist organization? or when they supplied missles to syria that were fired into israel?


Hamas not a terrorist organisation for Russia: Putin

Rockets fired from Lebanon into Israel are Russian-made, sold to Syria

Israel worried about possible new Russia-Syria arms deals

"Russia to supply Syria with ammunition, train officers"

'Russia's trying to save the Syrians'

another particularly DAMNING series of stories...

The KGB's Man (arafat was TRAINED and BANKROLLED by KGB!)

Bin Laden aide ‘had KGB link’

To The Qaeda:Ex Russian Agent, Vice Bin Laden Trained From Kgb

Russian secret agency FSB trained Al Qaeda's al-Zawahiri: Report:

Al Qaeda’s Al-Zawahiri Received Terrorist Training in Russia

KGB trained Zawahiri, says former agent

other stories of interest, for instance why does rusia have the same amont of spies in the US/UK as during the cold war??

"Russian agents flood UK in revival of intelligence Cold War"

"The Russians Are Coming - As Many Russian Spies Now In The U.S. as during the Cold War"



Powell Concerned by Putin Political Changes



The Increasingly Intertwined Bear and Dragon Russia providing Military Technology and Arms to China


46 posted on 03/26/2006 2:39:08 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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I personally think you are over-complicating the entire processs and are proving it by over-analysing this story....
50 posted on 03/26/2006 3:48:12 PM PST by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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Hate to tell you...you have been


54 posted on 03/26/2006 4:02:54 PM PST by JRios1968 (A DUmmie troll's motto: "Non cogito, ergo zot")
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55 posted on 03/26/2006 4:20:16 PM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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Did someone forget here that Russia helped Saddam Hussein to carry out the WMD components to Syria? Your claims sounds like an infomration warfare by KGB agent, just like jb6.


62 posted on 03/26/2006 10:28:28 PM PST by Wiz (Nightmare of the Information Warfare)
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and Russia continues to be on the side of Hamas, selling weapons to Syria and Iran, and also against sanctions to be applied on Iran for possibilities of nuclear weapon developments.


63 posted on 03/26/2006 10:30:09 PM PST by Wiz (Nightmare of the Information Warfare)
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65 posted on 03/27/2006 3:51:17 AM PST by Watery Tart (Feingold (CFR-WI): "[W]hy (were my) actions necessary, appropriate, or legal?" Censure whom?)
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Sorry your logistic background does not give you credibility to paint the Russians as our good buddy friend. We got a larger "nuclear" issue with Iran and Russia has been their partner in production. The Russians have done nothing but get in our way over Iran.


66 posted on 03/27/2006 3:56:11 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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