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To: trubluolyguy
I would give them 5 days.

Really? Including hard working, tax paying, family rearing, English speaking, overwhelmingly YOUNGER people? You're just itching to drive millions of such out of the country, just a few years before nearly two thirds of the adult population in this country will begin retiring and becoming net consumers of taxes (and entering their lowest consumption phase of consumer goods)?

You really think this is wise policy? I'd be asking, "how do we get more, and make them legal?"

43 posted on 03/25/2006 1:12:08 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis

Really? Including hard working, tax paying, family rearing, English speaking, overwhelmingly YOUNGER people?




Are the hard working, tax paying(debateable), family rearing, English speaking younger people legal DAMNED CITIZENS OR ILLEGALS WHO INVADED THIS COUNTRY!!??


46 posted on 03/25/2006 1:14:34 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: Stultis
Including hard working, tax paying, family rearing, English speaking, overwhelmingly YOUNGER people?

I don't think that the segment of the illegal immigration community that would fit into the category described above would approach millions, as you say.

And in no way would I ever "want more" immigrants who care so little for American law, not to mention our culture.

47 posted on 03/25/2006 1:24:39 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Stultis
"how do we get more, and make them legal?"

You start by being fair to the people who apply to come here legally. The bar for legal immigration isn't all that high, though it is time consuming. The basics:

  1. Show a clean police record.
  2. Sufficiency for self-support and support of your family, either with savings, an educational background demonstrating an ability to earn a living and stay off the public dole or a combination thereof.
  3. A basic respect for American law and customs.
  4. No ties to terrorists, nazis or others who seek to overthow the government through violent or illegal means.
  5. Free of communicable diseases.
  6. A basic command or at least a demonstrated willingness to learn our language.

Given that there are far more people who want to immigrate to American than we can reasonably accomodate, a sane immigration policy picks the most worthy applicants. An insane policy favors those who have already broken the law.

A sane policy decides how many immigrants we need and which are likely to make the best citizens and then selects from the applicant pool accordingly. An insane policy favors those of a certain ethnicity who are politically the best-connected.

The Kyl-Coryn bill is not perfect, but is probably the best thing which is politically possible to pass. I'm willing to give it five years and tie the number of legal visas granted inversely proportional to the number of illegals who leave the country, voluntarily or otherwise.

And, by the way, I have no problem at all with a Mexican construction worker applying for legal residency and citizenship so long as it is done on a fair and equal basis as, say, a construction worker from Poland.

54 posted on 03/25/2006 1:53:48 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Stultis
You really think this is wise policy? I'd be asking, "how do we get more, and make them legal?"

You want more illiterate, unskilled, uneducated criminals that have more loyalty to another country than to the one they are sucking dry?

With legal immigration, we control who comes here, check their background, make sure they are skilled in an area we need and can support themselves, make sure they have a sponsor that will be responsible for them if they don't, check that they don't have communicable diseased, and insist they have knowledge of english and our constitution.
63 posted on 03/25/2006 2:04:10 PM PST by Serenissima Venezia (U.S. a 3rd world soon: not educating enough scientists/engineers and being invaded by illegals)
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To: Stultis
Really? Including hard working, tax paying, family rearing, English speaking, overwhelmingly YOUNGER people? You're just itching to drive millions of such out of the country, just a few years before nearly two thirds of the adult population in this country will begin retiring and becoming net consumers of taxes (and entering their lowest consumption phase of consumer goods)?

You know, I think you drove the nail on the head.

The DC politicians won't do a thing about these folks, no matter how much we stomp our feet. They are DC's answer to the dwindling of the Social Security and Medicare problem. Their able, working bodies will be able to provide in the (not so far) future.

112 posted on 03/25/2006 5:19:36 PM PST by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big".....Jerry Fletcher)
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