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Hummer Deathtraps Suck
Winds of Change ^ | March 24, 2006 | Joe Katzman

Posted on 03/23/2006 6:56:16 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

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81 posted on 03/23/2006 10:30:23 PM PST by marmar (Pray for our Warriors...they are the greatest there are............)
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To: Echo Talon

That's doctrine. Iraq is a non-doctrinal battlefield (so is Afghanistan and so was Somalia). Who cares what it was intended for-the real question is: what is it being used for? Buy the vehicle with steel plate and ballistic glass so that it resists small arms fire. If a better alternative exists (i.e. the South African vehicle with the v shaped hull) buy it instead. GIs are suffering because the HMMWV is a POS.


82 posted on 03/24/2006 4:10:22 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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A Stryker vehicle with 4th Squadron, 14th Cavalry Regiment, provides security while other soldiers conduct an area reconnaissance mission through the town of Rawah, in the Al Anbar Province, Iraq, March 16, 2006, during Operation Iraqi Freedom. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Andrew D. Young

M1127 Stryker Reconnaissance Vehicle

83 posted on 03/24/2006 5:10:40 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The problem is finding a line of equipment that is versatile enough to function in light wars and heavy wars and IED wars. Just as soon as you sink billions into IED proof vehicles someone's gonna start a war that requires light, fast, and durable.

Foolproof, fast IED detection would be a neat direction to go. That would take the IED strategy entirely away from them.


84 posted on 03/24/2006 5:15:17 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I don't recognize the picture, so don't know the details. Just saying that AIF like to show videos of burning vehicles and feed the MSM with stories of Americans dying. Many times these are bogus reports - no casualties, just one less HMMWV left in the world.

The 100 lb brain guys are saying yes, at least for the fight today. Remember why the requirement was written.


85 posted on 03/24/2006 6:45:03 AM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Al Qaida's Best Friends)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Oh...at first glance of the headline, I thought this story might be about something different...


86 posted on 03/24/2006 6:47:21 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I don't understand why so many here are resistant to our dumping the hummer in favor of another vehicle like the RG-31 (which I always thought was the Buffalo, but I guess not-they are South African made though, right?).

There is no good reason why we have to stay with a vehicle that doesn't do the job as well as an alternative. All of our vehicles should come with at least some steel plating and ballistic glass. Why is that reasoning defective? War requires adaptation and we shouldn't be so wedded to doctrine that it hurts us.

I don't care what the hummer was "intended" for, it is vulnerable in the mission that it has. Other vehicles can carry out the same mission that the hummer has doctrinally and are less vulnerable in other capacities. Every day soldiers roll out the gate more vulnerable than they should be, but many on this thread seem not to care so much about that as they do about retaining our hummer fleet (WTF?!?)

87 posted on 03/24/2006 7:10:22 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: 91B
RG-31 started out in South Africa. The Rhodesians created a lot of home-made mine resistant vehicles in the '70's and the South Africans used those ideas in the '80's and now they are the leaders in mine resistant vehicles.

This is a Buffalo, made in South Carolina.

88 posted on 03/24/2006 7:53:17 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: xzins
Soldiers, Marines Team Up in ‘Trailblazer’ Patrols
89 posted on 03/24/2006 8:06:15 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: xzins

Joint IED Neutralizer

90 posted on 03/24/2006 8:20:47 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Robots, neutralizers, lasers, rays and detectors is exactly what I had in mind.

Defeat the strategy itself, and you don't have to configure equipment that can survive the strategy.

Despite what anyone says, we'll still have need for light fast transport of troops on some future battlefield.


91 posted on 03/24/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
They built vehicles like the Casspir truck et. al. with V-shaped steel hulls that deflect a mine blast to the sides. The mine may blow off the tires, but the occupants have a much better chance of surviving.

Makes sense. What about ground clearance?

92 posted on 03/24/2006 8:44:27 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Has anyone bothered to inform this guy that IEDs are not landmines and typically aren't detonated under the vehicle!?
93 posted on 03/24/2006 8:45:11 AM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: Aquinasfan
What about ground clearance?
94 posted on 03/24/2006 10:17:36 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
What about ground clearance?

I'd think that would be an issue with v-shaped hulls.

95 posted on 03/24/2006 10:25:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: TChris

More and more they are. Haji adapts to our countermeasures by doing stuff like creating pressure activated IEDs which we trigger when we roll over them. The author understands the reality of parolling in Iraq better than most of his critics.


96 posted on 03/24/2006 12:06:24 PM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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It took you this long ...


97 posted on 03/24/2006 1:43:44 PM PST by SubGeniusX
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To: marmar
Hi marmar! more babies...


98 posted on 03/24/2006 2:59:14 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
This is a Bentwater's tail # isn't it. I looks familiar.
99 posted on 03/24/2006 11:00:21 PM PST by marmar (Pray for our Warriors...they are the greatest there are............)
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To: SubGeniusX; murdocj; SLB
Army Demo Reviews Vehicles That May Provide Soldiers Better Protection

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Hummer Deathtraps Suck: Take 2

100 posted on 03/29/2006 8:05:14 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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