Skip to comments.Hummer Deathtraps Suck
Posted on 03/23/2006 6:56:16 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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I would have felt a hell of a lot better in one of the South African vehicles. The Hummer may be an improvement over a jeep, but that was 20 years ago, better alternatives exist-let's invest in them.
Those of us who have ridden the roads know the shortcomings that the hummer has. I don't know why we are even arguing this thread. In August we had three troops killed by a pressure activated IED that went off under their hummer. The gunner was thrown free and is alive today. The flat bottom of the hummer didn't allow any of the force of the explosion to be "vented" away from the crew. Maybe they still would have died, but the South African vehicle would have improved their survivability.
I have regretfully come to the conclusion that the US is trying to run this war on the cheap and our service personnel pay the price in blood.
The US military cannot make every vehicle a 60-ton, 8 gallons to the mile vehicle. Reality does not care how much you care.
thats what i was refering to when i said varient. pick whatever one you want and start sending those and move the Humvees to the rear. :)
The VBL is actually a ARV - Agile Retreat Vehicle.
Yeah, buy something different and God forbid that maintenance has to order different parts for it. I'd be satisfied if we just bought big SUVs off the production line from one of the big three and modified them post production for our needs (better than trying to make the hummer be the jack of all trades).
We can't even make sure that every vehicle can stop small arms rounds? I'm glad guys like you had my back while I was in the desert < /sarcasm>
See Post #22, certainly matches the reports that I have seen from soldiers and commanders and discussions I have had with same. I think he is spot on, except for the comment on the ASV, and his unit didn't have any of those. ASV armor is insufficient, wasn't designed for the IED fight.
Also, be careful with pictures of burning HMMWV's, many of them burn after the crew has walked away unharmed. Ask BG Karl Horst.
We are sending Buffalos, RG31s, and Cougars into Iraq and Afghanistan as fast as they roll off the assembly line. Don't know if we can increase production by going to other manufacturers.
"Exactly, could you imagine doing recon in an Abrams? LOL"
Yes, that is what Armored Cav does...
and well too I might add (but I hold a bit of bias here).
I saw them in Bagram. They're like an amphibious armored jeep. Same firepower as an M1114, much narrower, fits down alleys.
Princess DI and the Hollywood Left told us they STOPPED the use of landmines!!
How could this BEeeeee!
Good point. The antitank platoons of the Army's light infantry battalions also use Hummers for mounting TOW missiles.
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