Posted on 03/16/2006 2:26:37 PM PST by Amerigomag
The last few months are indicating two things.
1) Wilson should assign the legislative negotiations exclusively to Kennedy.
2) Wilson should keep his Austrian huckster on the dog and pony show circuit, as far away from the capitol as possible.
Thank you for remembering that I've been pulling out and dusting off this prediction since some time in early 2004, if not late 2003. I don't know how to search for my first voicing this prediction on FR, but by gum, when it comes true, I'm gonne figure it out and DO IT!!!
That prediction is no more bizzarre than the tired tirade the capitulators have been throwin against the FR wall ever since the Recall to try to wear down us consistent conservatives in CA!!!
Not at all, I consider conservatives to be a coalition of republicans, non-republicans, Christians and so forth.
What I am hating is stupidity among SOME conservatives who believe self sabotage by ignorant votes for third party candidates in the main election or NOT VOTING does anything good for conservatism.
IMO that only helps get Democrats elected. Which is why those types as far as I am concerned should tattoo "I LOVE DEMOCRATS" on their bottoms.
In their so called principles, they are great at enabling the enemy Democrats. They have all the pride in the world, but I have trouble finding any common sense in any action that enables Democrats to victory.
I think there are some people who think they are the answer to the problem, when in fact they contribute to our stagnation and problems in the state, for DECADED of the same stinking thinking.
We all want a better and more conservative California on this forum in general, but I think some do more damage than good when their actions get Democrats elected.
Your constant rants against "Some" (unnamed, unspecified) conservatives on these threads is tiresome (btw, I have seen no conservatives that fit the description you provide). If you disagree with someone's post, then debate them on that thread--don't bring it to every other thread. Just because you might not agree does not make you right or others "ignorant" or wrong. There is such thing as "agree to disagree".
Yep. Wealth, celebrity and a cult following are no substitute for principles.
And what on earth does this have to do with the subject of THIS thread?
No one is helping the Democrats! They need a supermajority to get any of these infrastructure investments passed. Start rallying around the Republican unity in opposition to the liberal spending and stop suggesting that we must all capitulate to their socialism. We don't!
Principles are especially great when applied with common sense. :)
In one meeting with Assembly Republicans, the governor stayed five minutes, said he needed their votes and then left. His aides distributed a briefing detailing the deal he had made with Democrats, then they left. What followed was a Republican revolt.
Arnold knows full well the next deal will be even worse, exactly the way his sponsors want it. He really believes that conservatives will vote for it to avoid weakening him in the lead-up to the election.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
About time.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
"Rude Awakening" comes to mind.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
Arnold's backers are waiting for Christmas.
I have said before: I will support Arnold when his actions start resembling fiscal conservatism and other things Republican.
(I'm not holding my breath)
I hope so. My sense of things is that the people of this state are willing to invest in infrastructure they believe will improve their lives. It is rarely so. Usually such investments are all about bringing more people to California and raise the revenue base, not to improve conditions of those who live here already.
That "rude awakening" usually cuts both ways.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
You back this up to prior elections where the lack of cohesive voting gave Democrats power today and that prior voting most certainly did have an effect on why we have all our troubles TODAY.
WHAT WENT WRONG...
The cause of we being in the position we are in today in having no power is due to the fractured voting and lack of turn out on the conservative side.
We can never expect to bargain with Democrats who currently have no chance at losing control. Figure to get no straight bill or bond from them.
My points on this thread were:
#1 Some conservatives have caused this problem by not coming out to vote or by not voting Republican.
#2 That we need to have Democrats removed as a majority in the legislature of the state before we have real influence in the state or of any bills or bonds.
#3 Any bargaining with Democrats is useless and we still have to do what we want through propositions.
#4 And when these props are out there, we better darn well bother to make ourselves available at the polls to vote.
#5 That it is OK we did not get these bonds through in their current form, but that we should get our own things on the ballots and back them up.
What went wrong in attempting anything with Democrats and what is wrong with California today is the Democrats have the power.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
The reason that ARnold capitulated and acquiesced to the liberal spending during bond negotiations is because conservatives didn't turn out for the special election? Quite a stretch there, CA guy.
We can never expect to bargain with Democrats who currently have no chance at losing control. Figure to get no straight bill or bond from them.
The liberals WANT spending. They love spending, whether via bonds or taxes. Remember, much of these will employ their beloved enviros and union thugs. Again, your statement that they won't support a bond makes little sense.
I do agree that we need to get the liberals out of the legislature. But we won't do that by morphing into them. Arnold won the recall election on a platform of fiscal conservatism. Unfortunately, after viewing actual performance, few will ever believe it again and it has therefore done immeasureable damage to the (R) Party, IMO.
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