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1 posted on 03/11/2006 12:56:53 PM PST by Dark Skies
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My prediction for the future...Free Republic University!
2 posted on 03/11/2006 1:00:48 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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Okay, enough Harvard/Yale whipping. Like oceanfront property, their degrees will always command a premium

Not so sure about this. I think the Ivy Leagues are going to lose their reputation in 10-20 years.

3 posted on 03/11/2006 1:02:26 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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Good post. Thank you. Anyone know if there's a financial / stock market ping list on Free Republic? I've been looking for one.


4 posted on 03/11/2006 1:03:26 PM PST by jdm
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Invest that $100 grand plus into the Dow Industrial index and your child can retire by the time they are 50. And he or she won't need a high paying, high stress job.


5 posted on 03/11/2006 1:05:11 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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OK, aside from technical or professional degrees...

Alternate path = 2yrs at the local J.C. & a $100,000 down payment on a Cat D8, etc.
better return
faster return
no workplace drama/trauma
in charge of one's destiny.

Democrats need not apply !

7 posted on 03/11/2006 1:08:39 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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Okay. Allow me to pose a question. Suppose you are an employer and are filling jobs for which no credential is required. In other words, for typical white-collar jobs--product design and engineering, sales, marketing, non-CPA accounting work and so forth. Would you pay a steep salary premium for a four-year degree holder versus a high school grad?

Rightly or wrongly, there is a certain amount of credibility one has, even in "non-credentialed" fields like those above, that a degree brings. A non-degreed person may very well be as or more intelligent than one with a degree. But that non-degreed one will find it harder to be accepted professionally, as his or her peers that went to college will say, "what do you know about <-fill in the blank->?"

8 posted on 03/11/2006 1:10:17 PM PST by Lou L
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Wanna take a class at Cal? MIT? Stanford? They're FREE

http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/index.htm
http://itunes.stanford.edu/
http://webcast.berkeley.edu/courses/index.php



9 posted on 03/11/2006 1:10:41 PM PST by Drango (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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Interesting.


10 posted on 03/11/2006 1:10:58 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Considering what is going on in these days (see Horowitz, The Professors), I see zero (or perhaps even negative) value in a so-called "liberal arts" degree. Sooner or later, the public will wake up to this reality, one would hope. Then the looney "professors" will have to find another scam.

Engineering and science is another matter, of course.


12 posted on 03/11/2006 1:11:55 PM PST by RussP
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Elite liberal arts schools are not worth the money because they stopped hiring professors based on merit but rather skin color and gender, forcing the best and brightest to seek employment elsewhere.


13 posted on 03/11/2006 1:14:14 PM PST by flying Elvis
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Its REALLY gotten me thinking as well....

Is education a free market? apparently not. Like healthcare, its regulated, protected, subsidized and pampered. Which is why its product prices dont reflect their true value in a more competitive environment.

I too think the overrated 4 yr college education craze will fall by the wayside. I don't quite think that art=fart but can see why people who do, do. The liberal arts education offered today is plain atrccious.


15 posted on 03/11/2006 1:16:11 PM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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Excellent essay.

I give a career talk to my college students once a semester and say: get a degree that is fast, cheap and easy. Then get a job in a place where they will teach you what you need to know, in such industries as movies, computers, fashion, pharmaceuticals, and real estate. The goal is to support a family and the means is job that takes what the author describes:

...intelligence, numeracy, communications skills and a strong work ethic.
19 posted on 03/11/2006 1:22:33 PM PST by Falconspeed (Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others. Robert Louis Stevenson)
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bttt


20 posted on 03/11/2006 1:22:47 PM PST by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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My husband has three college degrees, one BS and two MS's. He used the first one to fill out the paper work to get into the AF then never used it again. The first MS was to satisfy AF promotion boards; never used. The last MS was for his own edification and enjoyment. He has used it where he could. He and I agree college is highly overrated. Employers in techie fields(my husband's career)don't care if you know what a computer is; they want to know if you can run one (IE experience).


25 posted on 03/11/2006 1:39:20 PM PST by Vor Lady (Mal, "Remember, we just want to scare him." Jayne, "Pain is scary!")
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A college education USED to PROVE that you had "sticktoitiveness" and persistence.....AND that you had a certain amount of stamina.....today, in liberal arts that's NOT true, and in some other areas, also. Like someone else said....communication and math abilities along with a willingness to work hard and learn are keys to success....NOT a college education.


26 posted on 03/11/2006 1:40:21 PM PST by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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Most of today’s higher-paying jobs go to those who exhibit a combination of adaptable intelligence, numeracy, communications skills and a strong work ethic, as opposed to evidence of specific knowledge.

Hahah...what is this guy smoking? I read that and had to stop. Most high paying jobs go to people who put in the time and money to get degrees (even though most degrees are irrelevant to what one will be doing afterward in a high paying job) and who know the right people afterward.
28 posted on 03/11/2006 1:49:45 PM PST by newguy357
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Aside from fields where you need to know specific skills and knowledge such as engineering and science for example, what do you really need to function well in the world? Math and literate English skills, much of which you can learn before college. I don't even know if kids need 12 years of schooling before college or work.

Good manners, geography, history. Self-confidence, discipline, persistance, hard work. Ethics, common sense.

Can they teach people to think? Can they teach people pragmatism and reality?


32 posted on 03/11/2006 2:04:03 PM PST by garyhope (In vino veritas. Ars longa, vita brevis, too brevis.)
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There are intangible benefits to going to a good college. A good education is not all about money. It is about enhancing one's overall quality of life.


35 posted on 03/11/2006 2:07:14 PM PST by Torie
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It really seems to depend on one's chosen career. I am at one of the top private Christian colleges, where I can get a very good education. I chose this school over an Ivy League university, for a variety of reasons. I hope to get a job in investment banking, but it is very difficult to even get an interview since I don't go to a top school.

Though I should be able to break into banking eventually, it may take several more years for me because of this.

45 posted on 03/11/2006 3:05:41 PM PST by Young Scholar
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I think that a four-year degree will continue to be vital to success -- especially if it is from a top Chinese university or from one of the Indian Institutes of Technology.


46 posted on 03/11/2006 3:27:21 PM PST by Lessismore
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