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Goodbye, Dubai (Protectionists Rejoice)
Los Angeles Times ^
| March 10, 2006
| The Editors
Posted on 03/10/2006 10:28:49 AM PST by RWR8189
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To: HEY4QDEMS
I trust with my gut so no I don't have any evidence to support my feelings. That's all I was trying to find out.
Isn't making policy decisions based on feelings what *use* to be considered a hallmark of liberal Ds?
I'm sorry if my use of the word, "fear" was somehow off-putting.
To: pbrown
Yes absolutely the Clinton administration was the administration during the Cole bombing, and Reagan during Beirut. I am sure the Pentagon was supportive and behind the Beirut mission but the folks responsible for the rules of engagement were idiots. Yemen basically was brought along too quickly I believe but I don't think patience was ever a virtue for his administration. The sorry thing here is it looks like we haven't learned anything it all comes down to politics. The folks on the ground were hamstrung in Beirut, in Somalia, on the Cole, one of the crappiest feelings is standing watch with nothing available if something happens, or even worse, having an arm and no ammo. Politics beat out the DOD's wishes quite often, in this case it beat out plain common sense.
To: HEY4QDEMS
Thus coming full circle to reinforce my original point. Thanks.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:05:58 PM PST
by
ohioWfan
(PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
To: ohioWfan
You didn't answer my question, you side stepped it. :-)
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:06:09 PM PST
by
processing please hold
(Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
To: mlc9852
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:09:20 PM PST
by
jec41
(Screaming Eagle)
To: jec41
VERY clear in this case. Many times used as a diversion away from the direct questions being asked.
It's very similar to hearing Beaver argue with Wally, and having him say........."Oh, yeah??" and think he's won the fight. :)
btw, I don't believe I've seen the word tossed around quite as much before as on these port threads, do you? Seems like the borgs have lost all the arguments on this one. :)
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:09:28 PM PST
by
ohioWfan
(PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
To: ohioWfan
And might I add that GOP activists like me in Ohio, who put in a lot of blood, sweat and tears in November of 2004, saved this nation from jFkerry? A belated 'thank you' for that, btw!
It is interesting how the side who supported Schumer and Hilly don't seem to care if they lose support of rock-ribbed rational conservatives . . . but I suppose since they're just going on feelings, and not thinking thru the consequences, that makes sense.
To: ohioWfan
I am neither angry, nor have I 'smeared' anyone.......especially 'ad hominem.'Say the denial a million times, it won't make it so.
Ditto your claim to have "given facts."
Assurances and hyperbole are not facts.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:10:00 PM PST
by
Paul Ross
(Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
To: thinkthenpost
Pentagon was supportive There ya go. The Pentagon isn't always right.
Politics beat out the DOD's wishes quite often, in this case it beat out plain common sense.
Yes it did. And look how many of our dear military men paid the price for that miscalculation with their lives.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:10:16 PM PST
by
processing please hold
(Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
To: pbrown
No I didn't side step it. I was quite to the point.......sorry you missed it.
The U.S. Coast Guard is in charge of the security of the ports. They have said that there was no danger in this deal.
If I were walking down a dark street and felt afraid (as you do about this deal), but knew that the U.S. Military was in charge of my security, I would NOT be afraid.
That is the answer to your question.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:12:04 PM PST
by
ohioWfan
(PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
To: pbrown
You didn't answer my question, you side stepped it. :-) May I take a crack at it?
On many occasions I've had the feeling I'm being watched, or followed. That's basic human nature. Does that mean I should have acted on all those feelings?
If you're walking down the street and you 'feel' you are being followed, do you just start running with abandon? Or do you look around, gather evidence, then react?
That step was missing here. There was no evidence of danger.
To: Dominic Harr
It is interesting how the side who supported Schumer and HillyWhy do y'all continue to toss those two names out when you good and well, we'll just toss, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton right back at ya?
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:13:38 PM PST
by
processing please hold
(Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
To: Paul Ross
Paul...........I'm not interested in what you have to say.
Get it?
There are reasonable people on this thread. You just don't happen to be one of them. Please don't post back to me.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:13:38 PM PST
by
ohioWfan
(PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
To: pbrown
My point is the Pentagon was told do it this way. The pentagon said but, but, but, got the stern stare and went and did it that way.
YOU guys are giving the Pentagon the stern stare and they are going off to do it your way.
Diego Garcia is a hell of a long way from the Gulf, Jebel Ali is the only deep water port in the Gulf.
To: ohioWfan
This conservative repub thinks the Bush Bros. stepped on it when they said How are they supposed to "feel" knowing we gave the Brits confidence in running our ports but won't extend the same to Arabs---they might be be so willing to let us use their facilities or intelligence in fighting the war.
That is reason alone not to let another government manage our ports ---since clinton's finger prints are all over this---
To: mlc9852
I am glad it was scrapped. It makes me very happy. I will now be able to enjoy my weekend without giving the matter any more thought. Its not scrapped. Its going to be run by Patty Murray's husbands company out of Seattle (SSA). The Dems are going to pick up a ton of money.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:15:04 PM PST
by
jec41
(Screaming Eagle)
To: pbrown
Why do y'all continue to toss those two names out when you good and well, we'll just toss, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton right back at ya? Because the R party now has a problem.
Their main selling point has been, "We'll oppose the Ds when they try to use govt to interfere in private business matters".
This proves no, they won't.
Carter and Clinton aren't in power any more, btw . . . :-D
To: Dominic Harr
They're not only siding with Schumer and Hil, but with the MSM. Sheesh!
btw, we're trying in Ohio, to get the same successful game plan that got our President reelected (what fun it was to be part of that campaign!), to get a rock solid conservative Governor in place.
Blackwell is one impressive guy. VERY conservative, not afraid of anything. He's exactly what we need to get this state back on track.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:17:20 PM PST
by
ohioWfan
(PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
To: Cboldt
In other words, it's not just political siphoning, it is blatantly unprincipled decisionmaking.Yep, the GOP just funded the democrat party.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:17:33 PM PST
by
jec41
(Screaming Eagle)
To: Redfeather
Another government would NOT be 'managing our ports.'
That's where your argument falls apart. The facts are wrong.
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posted on
03/10/2006 2:18:49 PM PST
by
ohioWfan
(PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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