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Virginia County secretly removes Confederate flag from official seal
The Daily Press, Hampton Roads, VA ^ | March 2, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/03/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by Rebeleye

The removal of the Confederate flag from Amherst County's official seal has upset Southern heritage groups, who contend residents weren't told of the change. County officials acknowledge the image was quietly removed in August 2004 to avoid an uproar.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: amherst; battleflag; confederate; confederateflag; crackpots; crossofstandrew; dixie; goodthingtoo; neoconfederate; nutty; politicalcorrectness; purge; rag; scv; standrewscross; virgina; virginia
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To: M. Espinola
No, you are the weenies. We were honorable enough to take our leaders to task, as TJ said famously: "the tree of liberty must be fed by the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time." You idiots seem to think that the rebellion was illegitimate. Well it wasn't. But now, thanks to weenies like you, it fell away. You must be proud to be a hand licker and a butt wiper. How must the imperial, federal government appreciate the likes of you, a brown-shirted freedom marcher, a book burner, a small minded slave to the state. You have won the sympathy of all marxists here and abroad.

Shout it from the rooftops: M. Espinola is a statist. A central government troooper, a believer in the inherent power of the United States of Washington, D.C. to be our deliverer and our redeemer. Never let any man say that M. Espinola has anything other than true allegiance to the Central Party.

You should be ashamed. You should be so ashamed. Bow down and lick the hand that feeds you. Pull up your socks and get ready to do the bidding of the state. You are shameless.

1,161 posted on 04/01/2006 8:52:25 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup
You are not only 100% wrong in your typical slander, but seem to be heading off the deep end of the far fringe of the neo-confederate crank club.

The overwhelming majority of conservatives either ignore the frenzied outbursts of your delirious clique of modern day crazy confederates, or are not even aware such unglued, anti-American, "Dixie Republic" instigating insurrectionist's still exist.

I hope your gleeful about the illegal alien subversives. Maybe you can tag team, united in destroying the United States of America - grow up schmuck.

1,162 posted on 04/01/2006 10:28:06 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: stand watie
"most days i think you're in a facility with padded walls in a room.."

You mean the same facility you continuously escape from?

1,163 posted on 04/01/2006 10:33:10 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Your pitiful distortions and falsehoods could not more shred any argument I have presented than a shotgun could stop a tank

Make that a HotWheels(tm) tank, and I agree.

It has been said repeatedly that the sovereignty of the United States comes from the American People.

That has not been said repeatedly, and is more rediculous than many of your other arguments. Your claim is that the same people who were one day earlier "His Majesty's Royal Subjects" were at once part of a nonexistent nation/union, without being part of a state, but an 'ex-colony,' and now they granted sovereignty?

Independence was won on the battlefield, and granted through the Paris Peace Treaty, which has already been quoted back to you ad-nauseum. Develop some facts, not more poor self-aggrandizement and poor analogies.

1,164 posted on 04/02/2006 5:22:00 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Non-Sequitur

It sure as hell wasn't an "ex-colony," whatever the hell that means.


1,165 posted on 04/02/2006 5:29:01 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni
It sure as hell wasn't an "ex-colony," whatever the hell that means.

No it was a territory. It became a state when Congress voted to admit it. The other states, in effect, created the state of Alabama and every state after the the original 13. If approval of the other states is required for a state to come into existence in the first place then why should it be so hard to accept that the approval of the other states should be required for a state to be removed?

1,166 posted on 04/02/2006 5:39:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: M. Espinola
grow up schmuck.

Play ground retort. Do you also yell are so?

Sorry if I got you where it hurts, the truth.

1,167 posted on 04/02/2006 7:59:24 AM PDT by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup
"truth"?

When speaking in terms of "truth" neo-confederates are last on the list.

1,168 posted on 04/02/2006 11:49:12 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: M. Espinola

Come on now you know stand isn't that good-looking since "the accident".


1,169 posted on 04/02/2006 4:21:38 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Gianni

All the Founders considered themselves Americans and Madison even made a speech at the CC wherein he declared just that and how they were no longer Virginians or Massachusetts men, etc.

According to your way of thought the war which gained our independence should not have even been called the "American" Revolution but the rest of the World knows it as just that.

As regards the meaning of "Sovereignty" and its relation to the states Madison dealt with the pretensions of a true sovereignty claimed by States but never actually is existent. I quoted his remarks (or at least another's report of his remarks at the CC) why don't your discuss what that meant. see #1041


1,170 posted on 04/02/2006 5:34:35 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That was after the botched plastic surgery by an enraged neo-confederate MD a "Doctor Glomp", after Stand informed him Dixie segregation is "really" outlawed coupled with repeated efforts (ranting) to force the imagined "Dixie Republic" in 2006 :)
1,171 posted on 04/03/2006 12:17:18 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because one is explicitly spelled out in the Constitution, the other is not.

Case closed.

1,172 posted on 04/03/2006 12:48:50 PM PDT by Gianni
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To: M. Espinola; All
to ALL: "mr. SPIN" does nothing well but post STUPID cartoons, ignorant hate-FILLED bigotry & off-point foolishness.

free dixie,sw

1,173 posted on 04/03/2006 2:41:38 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Gianni
Because one is explicitly spelled out in the Constitution, the other is not.

Neither is explicitly spelled out. Case open.

1,174 posted on 04/03/2006 2:51:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You've also quoted Wilson and others, but you cannot quote the Constitution or the ratification documentation.

The desire for a national government was rejected outright.

1,175 posted on 04/04/2006 3:35:14 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Non-Sequitur

Section 3. New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Now you're saying Congress can't admit a state? That was the basis for your horribly flawed argument in the first place!?

1,176 posted on 04/04/2006 3:38:59 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni
Now you're saying Congress can't admit a state? That was the basis for your horribly flawed argument in the first place!?

How you could ever stumble into that conclusion based on anything I've posted is beyond me. You must be hearing voices. Again.

What I'm saying is that Congress does more than admit states, it creates them. Alabama did not exist before the other states allowed it to through a vote in Congress. Ohio was just a figment of the people's imagination until Congress admitted it as a state. Since states are created by Congress and since any post-admission change to their status - splitting, combining, changing their border by a fraction of an inch - has to be approved by Congress, then how you all can come to the conclusion that the approval of the other states is not needed before leaving is something that never ceases to amaze me.

1,177 posted on 04/04/2006 3:46:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
What I'm saying is that Congress does more than admit states, it creates them. Alabama did not exist before the other states allowed it to through a vote in Congress. Ohio was just a figment of the people's imagination until Congress admitted it as a state. Since states are created by Congress....

If it didn't exist, how was it admitted?

1,178 posted on 04/04/2006 8:23:27 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni

The desire for a General Government which we call a "National" Government arose as early as The Albany Plan of Union in 1754 submitted by the colonies to the King. That desire grew althrough the rest of that century. American was a beloved and almost universally our people considered themselves "Americans".

It is only after the Southern slaveowners degenerated from those who knew it was an Evil to those who praised it as a Good that the pernicious and false doctrine of state sovereignty grew to Traitorous proportions and unleashed the insanity of war upon the Nation.

No one who wrote the Constitution believed the tenth amendment involved ANYTHING but local issues and regulations. It did not allow any "resumption" of a sovereignty which never existed in any case. There was no need to encumber the Constitution with permission to do something so momentous as secession when even far less dangerous things to the Union were explicitly forbidden states.

That would be like claiming it is illegal to assault someone but not to kill them.


1,179 posted on 04/04/2006 8:56:36 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Gianni

Now you are really getting twisted. There were 13 original states. All others DID NOT exist until Congress organized them into territories then admitted them on petition of their inhabitants.

Pursue your chain of thought much further and you will be approaching stand territory.


1,180 posted on 04/04/2006 9:02:36 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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