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Letter from my Dad (May be important)
Mar 03 | KB's Dad

Posted on 03/03/2006 7:59:26 AM PST by Killborn

Edited on 03/03/2006 8:11:35 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: palmer
Until they figure out a way to print gold they [gold/paper money]are different.

Yeah. If you dig gold out of the ground you can trade it for paper money. But if you print paper money and try to trade it for gold they put you in jail.

Bottom line, both are "hard" to get (only for different reasons), and thus worth some value because people want them. Since the *only* reason either are valuable is because people want them and can trade them for other things, then they are the same.

101 posted on 03/03/2006 9:56:31 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Some people like casinos, we like speculating. :)

Go for it. Speculating is much classier than casinos, any day.

102 posted on 03/03/2006 9:58:33 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: Killborn
That makes sense. But what about its stability?

I'm not any kind of expert, but if what palmer says in #97 is true then we're already into a speculative market. If gold can be dug from the ground for less than current market prices, then guaranteed it will come back down someday unless energy prices cause production costs to rise. As far as I know gold doesn't have any kind of cartel controlling it the way that deBeers controls the diamond market, so it will eventually bounce around somewhere a bit above production costs.

I don't know that I agree that gold will continue up very much. Perhaps it will, given all the advertising it's getting, and people are getting out of the real estate market and perhaps will want a place to put their new cash. But I've just seen this speculative gold run-up before, and heard people swear how important it is for years and it just hasn't panned out that way since the early 80's. I'm just not buyin it.

103 posted on 03/03/2006 10:05:45 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: Killborn
Interesting. I'm not into investing and stocks anyway. Too much like gambling.

Investing in commodities is FAR riskier than investing in stocks.

What would have happened if you invested in natural gas three months around the end of last year? The NASDAQ plunge wasn't nearly as sudden.

104 posted on 03/03/2006 10:07:08 AM PST by IMRight
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To: narby

Interesting. Thank you.


106 posted on 03/03/2006 10:11:12 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: IMRight

That too. I'd rather get cash the old fashion way.


107 posted on 03/03/2006 10:13:33 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: narby
Since the *only* reason either are valuable is because people want them and can trade them for other things,

Ultimately I will trade my gold (or silver) for something, but in the meantime it I'm saving, and to some extent diversifying. Paper isn't as savable as PM's, although I do have some cash hidden as well (I believe in diversification in savings).

108 posted on 03/03/2006 10:14:35 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Killborn
Foresaw the Dot bomb before a lot of people did.

So did I. That was actually a bit of a no-brainer.

Furthermore, I forsaw the programmer-glut of the early 2000's. I figured a zillion people would proclaim themselves 'computer programmers' for the Y2K profiteering, then when it was finished, there'd be too many people chasing too few jobs.

Zat's what happened.

About gold? I think gold will slowly increase as the dollar continues to become a somewhat less influential currency. But I don't forsee gold going out-of-control, pricewise, because it simply does not produce wealth. It only stores it. It's like holding on to money. No interest, no profits.

109 posted on 03/03/2006 10:18:09 AM PST by Lazamataz (Islam is a fatal disease that must be eradicated from the body Earth.)
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To: narby; Killborn
I don't know that I agree that gold will continue up very much. Perhaps it will

It certainly could go up higher... in fact, it could go up LOTS higher. The problem is knowing when to get off the ride. Those who agree with the original post NEVER get off because gold is the ONLY asset they can hold when the world is falling apart (not that it would be the smart thing to do even in that case).

When will the ride be over? I have no idea. It may be today, or it may double in price in six months. But when it hits the wall it will fall apart faster than any of us would be able to yell "SELL!!!". That's how these things work.

Free advice (worth every penny) to anyone who wants to take it. Any time you see someone talk about "bubbles" and they restrict their comments to the current real estate and/or stock markets while ignoring commodity prices... run, do not walk, to the exits. They don't know what they're talking about. The price of gold today has very little to do with any intrinsic value... it's all speculation. There's nothing that says you'll be the last sucker on that pyramid... you might still make a killing. But don't count on it.

110 posted on 03/03/2006 10:25:36 AM PST by IMRight
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To: Lazamataz

Well, being able to see the Dot bomb already puts you and him over a significant number of Americans. :)


111 posted on 03/03/2006 10:30:57 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: IMRight

So what do you think about his message?


112 posted on 03/03/2006 10:32:04 AM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: IMRight
The price of gold today has very little to do with any intrinsic value... it's all speculation

Dollars are speculative until you trade them for something. I don't save too much in dollars although I have some cash in my stock account right now. I save in gold and silver and speculate in mining shares. I had to sell to get my portfolio down from 50% to 33% mining shares. Those are speculative. Gold and silver themselves are for savers especially if you save them for decades.

113 posted on 03/03/2006 6:53:49 PM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Killborn
A surge in supply of the California minted $50 gold pieces put a temporary nudge down on collector value for circulated coins......however, they still cost a pretty penny to even buy one. The influx of fine and very fine coins from the wreckage are now more desirable (but very expensive) from a rare coin collector's viewpoint. I'll just hang on to the somewhat worn specimens in the safety deposit box.......more sentimental than anything else.

One thing is for sure, with the surge in gold prices in the last 4 years, the $50 dollar Kellogg's have gone up well, regardless of condition.

114 posted on 03/07/2006 6:26:20 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: RSmithOpt

That's how. Thank you.


115 posted on 03/12/2006 6:28:56 PM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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