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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^
| 28 February 2006
| JENNIFER DOBNER
Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: whattajoke; balrog666; VadeRetro; editor-surveyor
That does look interesting. I'd be curious to find out more.
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posted on
03/01/2006 7:36:15 PM PST
by
phantomworker
(It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
To: Coyoteman
The second supposed difficulty regarding a global flood is the "problem" of gathering together those forms of life that were to be aboard the ark. This includes not only the difficulty of considerable travel from many regions involving diverse species, but also the difficulty of time since there were only seven days to load the ark.
Note that heretofore neither difficulty regarding a global flood has to do with a flood in particular, but the biblical text as it literally reads. A global flood could easily be considered whether or not there was ever an ark filled with surviving life, but the author of this article prefers to protest against more than the possibility of a flood. It is the general reliability of the biblical text that he finds repugnant (though the objection must be couched in terms of scholarly pursuit).
But what about all these critters coming from all parts of the earth? The biblical text does not denote how much time it took for all of them to come, but it does makes clear the animals came to Noah. He did not have to fetch them. Science understands to a small degree that the instincts of the animal kingdom are keen. Had science observed the animals just prior to Noah's flood, it would have put it in terms of instinctual processes not unlike the renowned march of the penguins.
If there were pending physical events about to take place on a global scale, one can reasonably surmise the instincts of the animal kingdom were accentuated. Even the recent tsunami saw isolated islands undertaking shifts in turf in anticipation of the pending disaster without expressed communication about the details.
As for the supposed problem of having too little time to get the animals loaded onto the ark, it stands to reason that the amount of potential genetic expression expended prior to the flood could have been far less than what we observe in the animal kingdom today. To put it simply, there were not as many animals needed as one might think; not as many species as we observe today.
Given the author of this article's distrust of the biblical texts in general, and his inability to know for certain the conditions under which the animals were gathered and loaded onto the ark, I do not find his second objection particularly convincing.
But of course, I am not one to question texts that have reliably stood the test of time many generations ahead of myself. I'll take the biblical texts for what they say and what they mean, and let those who believe in themselves make a mess of themselves.
To: Junior
Actually the deluge explains many of those things well, but not all of them. Fossils are primarily sedimentary. If you want to make a fossil you've got to have lots of water and lots of soil. You need to capture the critter while it's alive; bury it alive under soil and water. The water, over several generations seeps down into the earth, leaving cavity that displays the image of what was a living creature suddenly buried alive. Again, the deepest holes we've ever drilled have revealed much more water than was expected at those levels.
To: Fester Chugabrew
Fester, I have to give you credit. You can rationalize anything.
Rather than a scathing, brilliant and absolutely devestating response, I am going to go watch a movie before bed (between the toes if necessary).
We'll contend again on the morrow.
Night all!
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posted on
03/01/2006 7:49:32 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: whattajoke
Thanks for finding it. I must have missed it because of my penchant for skipping over the posts of complete idiots.
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:05:12 PM PST
by
balrog666
(Irrational beliefs inspire irrational acts.)
To: Fester Chugabrew
To put it simply, there were not as many animals needed as one might think; not as many species as we observe today How did the new species come into being since the flood?
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:13:41 PM PST
by
Ken H
To: whattajoke; editor-surveyor
I read your link.
The person to whom you refer does not make mention of "a sort of calcified concrete mixture" that "shot up from below." He believes hot waters from below had the effect of creating the greater part of what we call the fossil record, and in so stating makes use of the word "cementation" in connection with the release of carbonates. This may be an assertion worthy of question, but it does not merit the misrepresentation and petulant carping that tends to shoot up from below your keyboard.
To: Fester Chugabrew; Coyoteman
I have this great mental image of a platypus paddling Noah-ward with a kiwi on its back.
thought I'd share.
To: Ken H
The genetic material for all present species, except for those not needed or desired prior to the world wide deluge, would be sufficient in those creatures aboard the ark to generate such diversity.
If one cares to take things down to the level of basic elements,everything has always been present to produce whatever species one might desire, and do so within whatever limits one might wish. But there are always limits. There are always rules. That's how it is with intelligent design.
To: From many - one.
I had that same image, and they were traveling the straightest distance between two short lines.
To: b_sharp
Your calculations have missed quite a few factors.Yep. As I said, I am not smart enough to do the math, but neither am I dumb enough to accept the word "impossible" as applicable to generating six billion people from eight. Yet even doing it my own stupid, simple way it doesn't take a lot of multiplication, does it?
To: Fester Chugabrew
In that case, since I had it first, you owe me royalties.
To: Fester Chugabrew; From many - one.
"I had that same image, and they were traveling the straightest distance between two short lines."
Funny. I had a totally different image. In the 5th dimension, tesseract, the shortest distance is not between two straight lines.
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/wrinkle/section5.rhtml
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:15:12 PM PST
by
phantomworker
(It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
To: From many - one.
That's actually quite an original image. LOL!
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:21:20 PM PST
by
phantomworker
(It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
To: Fester Chugabrew
Your position is that new species appeared after the flood, and that these new species were intelligently designed by God using existing genetic material. Fair statement?
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:53:35 PM PST
by
Ken H
To: From many - one.; Fester Chugabrew; Coyoteman
I have this great mental image of a platypus paddling Noah-ward with a kiwi on its backThat's one explanation: see the map here
To: Fester Chugabrew
To put it simply, there were not as many animals needed as one might think; not as many species as we observe today.
I was very surprised to read this. You believe that vast numbers of speciation events have occurred since the flood?
"Entering Jerusalem on a kangaroo" placemark
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posted on
03/02/2006 12:52:10 AM PST
by
dread78645
(Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:39:14 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
To: longshadow
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:39:44 AM PST
by
PatrickHenry
(Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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