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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Monday Feb 27, 2006
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Posted on 02/27/2006 8:10:15 AM PST by MNJohnnie

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The "Port" of Public Opinion The Patriot Post ^ | February 24, 2006 | Federalist - Patriot Post

Posted on 02/24/2006 10:28:57 AM PST by knightshadow

The port of public opinion...

Protests about the planned transfer of management for several U.S. seaports to a state-owned company in the United Arab Emirates are fraught with almost as much confusion as fervor -- which explains why the current division within the political parties is almost as stark as the one between them. When Karl Rove, Jimmy Carter and The Los Angeles Times line up on one side of an issue, while Senators Bill Frist, Chuck Schumer and The New York Times line up on the other, something is seriously amiss.

Of course, the first casualty of political conquest is the truth, which is not to say that both sides don't feel genuine concern. In an effort to elucidate the issue, let us first distinguish between fact and fiction.

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, a multi-agency panel that evaluates foreign financial interests in the U.S. with national-security implications, has approved the transfer of management of some port terminals (not the sale of these ports) in New York, Newark, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Miami, New Orleans and Houston. The transfer is from a British owned company, Peninsula and Oriental Steam Navigation Company, to Dubai Ports World, which is headquartered in the UAE. What this means, essentially, is that American managers and longshoremen will now get their checks cut by DPW instead of P&O. In other words, DPW will become one of many operators in these ports.

This does not put DPW in a position to act as an agent for al-Qa'ida, delivering weapons of mass destruction to their terror-cell operatives in the U.S., as has been suggested by some print and Internet tabloids. Direct responsibility for port security is shared by the Coast Guard, Customs and Border Protection, and state and local port authorities. Here it should also be noted that port-management priorities are wholly subordinate to port-security priorities. Of course, port-security operations, particularly those pertaining to interdiction of WMD, are augmented by the entire asset base of the U.S. military, its intelligence community and its law enforcement agencies.

Despite the rancor, the U.S. does not outsource the protection of our critical national-security infrastructure.

Approval of the DPW proposal underwent three months of interagency review. According to Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, "This review definitely was not cursory and it definitely was not casual. Rather, it was in depth and comprehensive." This is the same review that management companies based in China, Denmark, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan underwent before being authorized to manage terminals in the port of Los Angeles. We might add, China now manages some terminals on both ends of the Panama Canal.

Foreign investment in the U.S., including port management, is nothing new.

As for the assertion that President George Bush should have known about the proposal, Frances Townsend, his senior advisor for Homeland Security, counters, "Rarely do these [reviews] wind up on the president's desk and that's only after there has been an investigation and there is some disagreement. This didn't get there because none of the agencies who reviewed it had any objection."

The public remonstration in this case is the result of a volatile combination of legitimate sentiments: a fundamental distrust of Islamic countries combined with a concern about the potential for terrorist exploitation of our busy shipping ports.

The distrust is warranted, particularly in the wake of 9/11. Not only were two of the hijackers from the UAE, but 11 of the Saudi hijackers traveled to the U.S. from Dubai, and $250,000 used to bankroll the 9/11 attacks was wired through Dubai banks. There were ties between Islamist emirs in the UAE and Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, and the UAE recognized the Taliban government.

On the latter point, however, our intel sources indicate those ties enabled the CIA to confirm the location of bin Laden twice in 1999, but the Clinton administration declined to eliminate him. Bill Clinton has floated several excuses for why he did not act on this intelligence -- which all sank.

Further, Pakistani nuclear proliferator Abdul Qadeer Khan testified that a UAE company assisted him with the transfer of nuclear technology to Iran. However, as we noted two years ago, our sources indicate that Khan was either a CIA operative or a dupe and that the UAE cooperated fully with surveillance of Khan's contacts in Dubai.

Thus, if we want to punish the UAE because it has airports and banks, or because it has cooperated with CIA clandestine counter-proliferation efforts, so be it. There is, however, no suggestion of evidence that the UAE government had any knowledge, much less complicity, with the al-Qa'ida cell responsible for the 9/11 attacks, or any other attack on U.S. interests or personnel. On the contrary, there is considerable evidence that the UAE, along with Kuwait and now Iraq, is a critical ally in the region.

Indeed, since 9/11 the UAE government has provided significant intelligence and staging support in the war against Jihadistan. They have actively participated in the pursuit of al-Qa'ida terrorists. In 2002, for example, UAE officials arrested and turned over to U.S. officials Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who conspired in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and masterminded the attack on the USS Cole in 2000. In 2004, UAE officials arrested Qari Saifullah Akhtar, who trained thousands of al-Qa'ida operatives around the world. He was returned to U.S. interrogators in Pakistan.

As for Dubai Ports World, it already provides support for U.S. Navy ships in Jebel Ali and Fujairah, which accommodates more U.S. Navy ships than any other international port. DPW is also the primary support contractor for U.S. Air Force assets at Al Dhafra Air Base.

Rising above the din, the real issue is this: America's seaports constitute one of many big holes in our border security, regardless of who manages the terminals. Despite the port security that exists both stateside and in the ports of origin, there is no guarantee that WMD won't be smuggled into the U.S. in one of the thousands of cargo containers that land on our shores each and every day.

As we have noted before, when al-Qa'ida has mated the right nuclear core with the right weapons hardware (something they may have already succeeded in doing), getting that weapon into the U.S. will not be that difficult, regardless of who is managing and securing entry points. The harsh reality is that there simply is no way to secure U.S. borders, with even a modest degree of confidence, against importation of nuclear WMD hardware the size of a footlocker, and a fissile core the size of an orange.

This reality accounts for the Bush Doctrine of Pre-emption -- take the fight to the enemy and endeavor to wage war on their turf, not ours. It is a reality for which pre-emption is our only option -- our only chance of preventing a catastrophic attack on our nation.

This is certainly not to suggest that we adopt the French border-security model -- one in which we throw up our hands and run away. Indeed, we need to be vigilant about territorial security. However, allowing a UAE company to manage some port terminals does not constitute a surrender from such vigilance.

For the public, there may be some psychological solace in the assertion that preventing DPW from managing port terminals is tantamount to securing our destiny -- but it is a false sense of security.

The public confusion, media hysterics and, consequently, opportunistic political posturing and demagoguery have all but completely obscured the facts pertaining to our relationship with the UAE and its shipping conglomerate, DPW. The Democrats have used this issue to leapfrog to the right of Republicans on national security, and some Republicans responded quickly by adopting the same line on DPW. Unfortunately, both are doing so at the peril of our national security.

Not only has President Bush declared, "The UAE has been a valuable partner in fighting the war on terror," but has even threatened to veto any legislation to undo this deal. As he has yet to use his veto for any legislation (to our utter dismay, given some great opportunities), threatening a veto in this case can only mean that the consequences of derailing our relationship with the UAE constitute a grave threat to our national security.

Most likely, a compromise on UAE/DPW between the White House and Republican congressional leaders was brokered prior to public objections from Sen. Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert. If that compromise is anything other than a "technical delay" in approving this transaction, we believe U.S. national security will suffer the consequences.

Feel safer now?


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To: TPartyType

Do your homework and wake up FOOL!


201 posted on 02/27/2006 1:51:34 PM PST by JayAr36
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To: MNJohnnie
If I was I would hire about 30 nasty smash mouth talking heads...

And every time you write a check to a talking head, a kitten dies!


202 posted on 02/27/2006 2:18:28 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: MNJohnnie

Ah crap. Thwarted by tripod. Well, you get the idea!


203 posted on 02/27/2006 2:20:22 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: JayAr36; TPartyType
Do your homework and wake up FOOL!

As a professional who has spent most of his career in Logistics, Jay, I fit it is amazing that a moron like you, who does NOT know a single fact about how Port Operations work is THEN stupid enough to call OTHER people fool!

Hard to decide what is more amusing your total stupidity and inability to learn a single fact about Port Operations or your rabid arrogance in demonstrating just what a complete idiot you are. Before you call anyone fool on this thread ever again you need to shut up and just read for awhile. Your understanding of the facts is demonstrated to be ZERO. Spewing opinions on a topic you clearly know NOTHING about is incredibly childish.

Perhaps if you REALLY try hard for about a week you might go from being a complete imbecilic on this matter to merely being white trash stupid. Your ignorance and excessive arrogance is contemptible. Grow up you silly ass. This will be your ONLY warning. Next time you behave like a hysteric stupid child on this thread, you will be SERIOUSLY paddled. I will take it easy on you because your lower then room tempetrure intellect obviously could not handle a serious taunting.

204 posted on 02/27/2006 2:40:14 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Emotional hysteria is NO substitute for fact and reason. Just getting MORE shrill in screaming your ignorance just convinces more people you are as clueless as they think you are. Do not presume to lecture a professional on his job, after all, we do not lecture you on how to be the village idiot.
205 posted on 02/27/2006 2:42:52 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: MNJohnnie
I haven't seen anything from you...ever...that even came close to logic and reason. All you seem to know well is how to impune and denegrate people just because they happen to question the wisdom of turning over the operation of some of our ports to an authoritian government.

If anyone here looks like a village idiot...it would be you after reading your stupid tyrades.

If you truly are some kind of "professional" you would attempt to "educate" us lower life forms.

Now...put your professional face instead of the angry, red faced, spitting bile one and tell us calmly and rationally why it is a good idea to turn over ports to an authoritian muslim government...I need to know from a "professional".

206 posted on 02/27/2006 3:10:22 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: MNJohnnie

"If you're pushing "Guest Worker" you're in the tank."

Perhaps I should expand on that.

He offered his stand on immigration to prove he's not in the tank.

I say his stand on immigration stinks and definitely puts him in the tank because "Guest Worker" would bring in even more people from other countries to take jobs, not less.

It's a scam.

It sounds like your argument is the one lacking in intellectual soundness, since it's heavily loaded with insult language, and seems to be lacking in making any point whatsoever, other than that you don't like what I said, or how I said it.

If you don't like my saying he's in the tank, just say so.

Don't drag "Caller Tim" (no doubt a scripted shill), Pat Buchannan, the Hysteric Left, the Nazis, and some dog catcher into it.

Why don't you try to tell me why his pushing of "Guest Worker" doesn't mean he's in the tank as far as immigration is concerned?

Don't try to paint my brief answer as meaning I have nothing to say.

I can make an intellectually sound, serious case for any of my views for as long as you like.

However, brevity is the soul of wit, so I'll continue to employ it, in spite of any nitwits who might try to mislabel it as having little or nothing to say.


207 posted on 02/27/2006 8:40:44 PM PST by voteconstitutionparty
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To: B.O. Plenty
I haven't seen anything from you...ever...that even came close to logic and reason.

See #156

208 posted on 02/28/2006 5:48:06 AM PST by TPartyType
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To: TPartyType
O.K. so...why all the name calling? #157 even starts that way....condescending and angry

We agree totally about the threat of islam and why we are in Iraq. But when some of us question the rationality of letting MUSLIMS run our ports, we are called all kinds of names...are village idiots...clueless...we don't know anything like the great "logistics expert"...which, by the way knows everything about everything.

There ain't no civility here and it destroys any reason and logic that may have been presented.

209 posted on 02/28/2006 6:18:09 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: B.O. Plenty

I think you're being a little too sensitive there, bud.


210 posted on 02/28/2006 6:53:00 AM PST by TPartyType
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To: TPartyType
I am?

...BUT I respect others who are different, and I expect to be able to hold reasoned dialogue with them about those differences on this [conservative] forum!

I suppose you know where this came from. If you expect it, shouldn't everybody else?...

211 posted on 02/28/2006 7:00:12 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: B.O. Plenty

I have to admit I haven't looked closely at replies to you on this thread, but what I've read here strikes me as typical FR banter, not unusually harsh or mean-spirited? Sorry. I just don't know what you're complaining about.


212 posted on 02/28/2006 7:52:57 AM PST by TPartyType
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To: B.O. Plenty
Okay, I just read #205. That's pretty harsh. On the other hand, I think MNJohnnie was reacting to #200, in which you imply he's swayed by political correctness. That's certainly a hot button, you've got to admit. (But I really shouldn't speak for someone else. Just trying to be fair to you.)

Anyway, until you've been swarmed by 6 or 8 flamers at once, you haven't lived!! Now THAT's the sort of "uncivility" I was talking about. it really "stings"!

FRegards.

213 posted on 02/28/2006 8:00:18 AM PST by TPartyType
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To: TPartyType
I wouldn't have mentioned political correctness other than I really am concerned. Rush and Tony Snow are for the "deal" and all they can really say is that they think the Shieks are good guys, help us a lot, gather info etc etc and "are trying to be like us"(Rush said that).

They seem to go out of their way not to mention that the Shieks are muslims..,(sounds a little like p.c. to me) and never offer any assurances that they(The Shieks) are not influenced by, and never will be, a crazy mulla down at the local mosque. They never mention how the Shieks would be immune from a radical takeover by an Ayatolla Komeni type lunatic. It is never discussed what happens if the Shieks gets wiped out in a plane crash, or has a heart attack, or a stroke, or even if a wind storm blows them away.

I would like someone in our government to adress the muslim problem in light of 9-11, Madrid, London, and what's going on as a result of a cartoon, et al.

214 posted on 02/28/2006 8:22:24 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: MNJohnnie

I'm as impressed by your credentials as you are, however I saw nothing that addressed the point. THIS IS A CULTURE WAR AND YOU CAN IGNORE IT AT YOUR PERIL.


215 posted on 02/28/2006 10:28:22 AM PST by JayAr36
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To: B.O. Plenty
BTW,

When I challenged JayAr36 earlier on this thread it was the kind of sweeping generalization you use here, with regards to the "muslim problem," that suggested to me an underlying bigotry.

Lumping all Muslims together is no more productive than lumping together all Christians. We're a mixed lot; they're a mixed lot and to presume or to assert "they're all alike" has the same implication to me as "they all look the same."

216 posted on 02/28/2006 4:41:14 PM PST by TPartyType
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