[pganini]

Taiwan has been defacto independent for 50 years, but it has NOT declare FORMAL independence, which is a different thing altogether.

I'm pro-Taiwanese because i don't want them to die because of an idiot in charge like Chen.

Like I said, if you're so die hard on your own beliefs, go fight in Iraq. It's for freedom, no?

[tallhappy]

Applying for UN membership as a separate nation from China -- ie both PRC (China) and ROC (Taiwan) -- is declaring independence formally.