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Unmarried Couple Denied Right to Move In
WWTI (ABC) ^ | 2/23/2006 | United Press International

Posted on 02/23/2006 1:53:52 PM PST by Quick1

A Missouri couple say they were denied an occupancy permit for their new home because they're not married.

Olivia Shelltrack and Fondray Loving have been together for 13 years and have three children, ages 8, 10 and 15, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.

The couple are appealing the occupancy permit denial from the Black Jack, Mo., board of adjustment, which requires people living together to have blood, marriage or adoption ties. Loving is not the father of Shelltrack's oldest child.

I was basically told, you can have one child living in your house if you're not married, but more than that, you can't, Shelltrack told the newspaper.

This is about the definition of family, not if they're married or not, Mayor Normal McCourt said. It's what cities do to maintain the housing and to hold down overcrowding.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: cohabitation; cohabitationlaws; cultureofbusybodies; fornicationlaws; homeowners; marriagelaws; occupancypermit; propertyrights; puritans; unmarriedcouple
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To: Crucis Country

Actually, this is "Black Jack, MO," which is in St. Louis county. It's on the other side of the state from Lone Jack.

Mark


201 posted on 02/23/2006 5:27:43 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: rwfromkansas
They aren't parents. Parents are married.

Gee, that would certainly be a surprise to a friend of mine, who believes that she's a parent to a daughter. Tell me, did she stop being a parent when her husband died? I also know of at least three other of these "former" parents, due to a divorce. And one woman who had a child out of wedlock altogether. She's not a parent either?

Mark

202 posted on 02/23/2006 5:32:15 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Didn't the Alabama Supreme Court allow the state (or a city) to ban them all together?

Yup! Heck, the state of Missouri once banned ALL sex!

Mark

203 posted on 02/23/2006 5:35:54 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Quick1

We've only had one ummarried couple move into the neighborhood. Both are on the HOA.

We've had several college kids move in. Oddly, you rarely encounter unmarried couples where homes average $350k. You do get college kids because they are paying about $600 a month in rent in town. Why not get a 4 bedroom house in a nice neighborhood for that instead of a ratty apartment?


204 posted on 02/23/2006 5:47:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Hi Heels

It is if they came from a state that does, or even if they lived in such a state for a very brief time(e.g., if they moved from TX to Missouri).


205 posted on 02/23/2006 6:07:51 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Eepsy

Only a few states recognize "common law marriage." It's generally not a moral issue, but a legal one, as is the objection here. Due to all the property disputable issues (if the break up) couples living together unmarried are a legal nightmare for the state...


206 posted on 02/23/2006 6:23:58 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: calex59

"Some people do not believe in marriage, some people are not Christians and don't have your beliefs and don't give a crap what you believe in. "

They won't be living in BlackJack either, apparently...LOL

The woman stated how much they loved the area. The area is the way it is because there are rules that others have followed. If they don't like those rules and are unwilling to change their marital status, then they should find a neighborhood that will accept them for who they are....NOT move into a community and try to change their rules. It appears they are just a couple of sh*t disturbers to me.


207 posted on 02/23/2006 6:28:45 PM PST by Proud Conservative2 (As soon as you settle for less, you are stuck with less.)
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To: elkfersupper
So said opponents of repeal of the Jim Crow laws.

Oh pleeeese, what a leap!

LOL

208 posted on 02/23/2006 6:39:07 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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To: apackof2
Oh pleeeese, what a leap!

Laws is laws. Your leap, not mine.

209 posted on 02/23/2006 6:51:08 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: RJL

Then have the ordinance against the disruptive behaviour, not against anyone who might possibly become guilty of it.


210 posted on 02/23/2006 7:02:01 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Kaylee Frye

engaged? in what?


211 posted on 02/23/2006 7:38:18 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MarkL

I glad to see someone correct the Lone Jack info.

Black Jack is in northeast St. Louis County


212 posted on 02/23/2006 7:51:47 PM PST by stlnative
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To: wideawake

They have been together 13 years...that's better than most marriages are lasting lately!


213 posted on 02/23/2006 8:04:25 PM PST by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are great!)
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To: MarkL

Oh come on, obviously there are exceptions.

What I mean is that somebody who never gets married in the first place does not deserve to be called a parent.

The woman who did not have a child within marriage would be a parent...if she is doing it alone without some live-in boyfriend.


214 posted on 02/23/2006 9:02:11 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Eepsy
Common law marriage is largely a thing of myth. 15 states currently recognize limited common law marriages, of those 4 only recognize common law marriages that have been grandfathered in while no new ones are created, 1 only recognizes them for inheritence purposes.

Of the remaining states the requirements are so akin to marriage that it isn't even funny. In Texas, in order to be recognized as a common law marriage you must: must sign a form provided by the county clerk. In addition, they must (1) agree to be married, (2) cohabit, and (3) represent to others that they are married.

215 posted on 02/23/2006 9:10:30 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Eepsy

Doesn't that violate HUD Fair Housing regluations??


216 posted on 02/23/2006 9:58:51 PM PST by Schwaeky ("Truth is not determined by a majority vote." Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: null and void

Thank you for saying that. It's obvious to those of us in that situation, but we sure suffer persecution for our choices to leave a bad marriage.


217 posted on 02/23/2006 10:51:37 PM PST by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are great!)
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To: trussell

It was that or suicide. I think I picked the right one...

;^P


218 posted on 02/23/2006 10:55:09 PM PST by null and void (Imagine what they would be doing if it wasn't a religion of peace!!!)
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To: null and void

This is going to get you flamed...You should know better than to introduce logical thinking into the conversation!


219 posted on 02/23/2006 10:56:04 PM PST by trussell (Work for God...the retirement benefits are great!)
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To: trussell

Oddly, it didn't.

Am I deformed?


220 posted on 02/23/2006 10:57:10 PM PST by null and void (Imagine what they would be doing if it wasn't a religion of peace!!!)
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