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Global Warming Fuels Speedy Evolution
Discovery Channel ^ | Feb. 22, 2006 | Larry O'Hanlon

Posted on 02/22/2006 10:38:24 PM PST by quantim

Don't look now, but your backyard is evolving. It's no joke. There's a growing body of evidence that evolution is no longer something only seen either in this year's flu virus or Cretaceous tyrannosaur bones. It's happening everywhere, right now, and charging full-steam ahead.

Research on toads, frogs, salamanders, fish, lizards, squirrels and plants are all showing evidence that some species are attempting to adapt to new conditions in a time frame of decades, not eons, say biologists.

What's more, one of the biggest reasons for all this evolution right now may be that human-induced changes to climate and landscapes give species few other options.

Move, Adapt or Die
"Basically, a species can do three things," said the University of Sydney's Richard Shine: "go extinct, move or adapt."

The first two have kept conservation biologists working day and night, to the exclusion of the third, he said. But that's changing as real-time evolution is hitting the news wires and getting more attention.

The highest-profile case yet was made public by Shine and his colleagues in the Feb. 16 issue of Nature: the case of toxic cane toads at the forefront of a seven-decade Australian invasion. Measurements over the years prove that the leading toads have evolved significantly longer legs.

It appears that hopping further and faster rewards long-legged toads with the first crack at lush virgin territory, and therefore more offspring to perpetuate their athleticism.

Behind that story are even more cases of rapid evolution, says Shine, an evolutionary ecologist. Already he's seeing changes in native Australian snakes. First they tried to eat the toads, and died. Now, Shine says, the surviving snakes have modified jaws which make them unable to eat the toads and therefore safe from their toxin.

"Invasive species are a nice model," Shine said.

They hint at the rates of evolution that might be expected as species feel the increasing pressure of global warming. They also draw the attention of conservation biologists, who are often on the front lines of battles to save habitats and individual species.

"In the past 20 years, essentially all evolutionary biologists have come to widely recognize the importance and prevalence of (what's) often called 'rapid evolution,'" wrote evolutionary biologist Andrew Hendry of McGill University, who responded to questions via email from the Galapagos Islands. "Many conservation biologists have recently come to the same realization and I expect that the rest will soon follow."

Rapid evolution is good news for conservation biologists. It implies that the number of species that might go extinct will be less than some current estimates, which predict as many as one-third of all species alive today will be wiped out by 2050.

The first known case of a mammal responding genetically to warmer climate warming is the red squirrel of the Yukon Territory.

Canadian scientists have discovered that red squirrels are giving birth about 18 days earlier than their great-grandmothers. It's the early squirrel that gets the nut, after all: natural selection in action.


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KEYWORDS: bushsfault; crevolist; evolution
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To: quantim

Does this mean my fish will walk to my plate?


41 posted on 02/23/2006 11:38:34 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: taxesareforever
Mainly because evolutionary scientists don't have an explanation as to why the human race doesn't appear to be evolving.

Slower reproduction cycles, fewer offspring per cycle and the ability for humans to alter their environments, thus reducing the likelyhood that environmental conditions will affect reproductive success throughout the population.

I am not the first to note these facts. Why did you ignore them and claim that no explanation exists?
42 posted on 02/23/2006 11:38:59 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: quantim

Not too surprising. Chemical reactions generally proceed faster at higher temperatures. Any chemist (or cook) knows that.


43 posted on 02/23/2006 11:39:18 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: trisham
Apparently, your creationist has a sense of humour.

Actually, he seemed pretty serious to me (read his further comments for a rather explcit admission that he believed that Christian members of the US government lied in the wording of a treaty and were justified in doing so).
44 posted on 02/23/2006 11:59:18 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: taxesareforever

You simply don't understand the subject.

Ten, a hundred, 10,000 years from now, every critter alive then will be at the top of its evolutionary chain.


45 posted on 02/23/2006 1:05:02 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Dimensio
Being at the top of the chain today does not mean that more links will appear higher up tomorrow.

You are right there. Means you believe it can stop.

46 posted on 02/23/2006 1:23:21 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Dimensio
Slower reproduction cycles, fewer offspring per cycle and the ability for humans to alter their environments, thus reducing the likelyhood that environmental conditions will affect reproductive success throughout the population.

Sounds just like Darwinism gone awry. If there is no answer just wait a minute and some scientist will have another theory. Mind you, no facts, just theories.

47 posted on 02/23/2006 1:25:43 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: From many - one.
Ten, a hundred, 10,000 years from now, every critter alive then will be at the top of its evolutionary chain.

Yep. And people then can look back and say, "hey, nothing has changed".

48 posted on 02/23/2006 1:27:11 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever
Sounds just like Darwinism gone awry.

How? It's an explanation based upon the fundamental principles of what drives evolution in the first place.

If there is no answer just wait a minute and some scientist will have another theory.

What "another theory"? The explanation that you have been given is based upon the fundamental principles of the theory, since it was first conceived by Darwin. There's nothing new or revolutionary about it. If you're going to attack it, could you at least demonstrate that you have some understanding of what you are being told?
49 posted on 02/23/2006 1:38:01 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: taxesareforever
You are right there. Means you believe it can stop.

I misspoke. I meant to say "Being at the top of the chain today does not mean that more links will not appear higher up tomorrow."

It can stop, but only under two conditions. The first is if no significant selection pressures exist in the environment to encourage increased reproduction upon a specific variant of the population and that environment never changes. The second is if the population goes extinct.
50 posted on 02/23/2006 1:40:00 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: taxesareforever

Except for the longer-legged frogs, the earlier birthing squirrels and whatever else occurs in the meantime, right?


51 posted on 02/23/2006 1:57:07 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Dimensio
The second is if the population goes extinct.

But that isn't possible. Where did the population begin? Since it began, there are innumerable evolves in the chain that haven't made it to the top step. Evolutionists certainly can't believe that the top of the chain is all there is. Where is the bottom and the middle? They must be there somewhere. In your line of thinking, since man evolved from the lineage of apes, if the human race, the top of the chain, was to die, out more humans would in time reappear. Therefore, nothing becomes extinct in evolution, only in creationism.

52 posted on 02/23/2006 4:48:13 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: From many - one.

Because a frog gets longer legs is not a sign of evolution. If a frog looked at the human race would he make the same assumption about the 7 foot basketball player?


53 posted on 02/23/2006 4:49:57 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever

Seven foot humans are the result of evolution. Did you believe they were specially designed to entertain the designer?


54 posted on 02/23/2006 4:53:00 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: taxesareforever
But that isn't possible.

Are you suggesting that it is impossible for specific populations of organisms to go extinct? So dodos and passenger pigeons still exist?

Where did the population begin?

A common ancestor of all life forms.

Since it began, there are innumerable evolves in the chain that haven't made it to the top step.

There is no "top step". It's not an upward climb, it's just a succession of changes. There's no plan from the beginning, evolution simply occurs based upon variance in the gene pool and environmental selection pressure favouring specific heriditable traits.

Evolutionists certainly can't believe that the top of the chain is all there is.

"Top of the chain" simply refers to where things are now. It doesn't mean that there was an original plan from the beginning, and it doesn't mean that links won't be added on in the future -- in fact, evolution predicts as much.

Where is the bottom and the middle?

The bottom would be the very first life form. The middle is dependent on the species in question, and the midpoint will continue to change as said species evolves.

They must be there somewhere.

And?

In your line of thinking, since man evolved from the lineage of apes, if the human race, the top of the chain, was to die, out more humans would in time reappear.

Neither I nor anyone else has said this. Humans are no more "top of the chain" from the standpoint of evolution than chimpanzees, zebras and pigs. There's no single "chain". Each species represents its own chain, and many individual chains branched off from a single common chain.

Therefore, nothing becomes extinct in evolution, only in creationism.

If the number of members of a species who at one point in time had a nonzero population ever becomes zero, that species is "extinct". It would appear as though you are misunderstanding fundamental principles of both evolution and biology when you construct your arguments.
55 posted on 02/23/2006 4:55:35 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: taxesareforever
Because a frog gets longer legs is not a sign of evolution.

It is if the legs are longer as a result of longer-legged offspring having better reproductive success.

Just what do you think that evolution states?
56 posted on 02/23/2006 4:56:25 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio; PatrickHenry
I am taking a break from CREVO threads for a little while.

I can't take all the lies and misrepresentations and malice from the CRIDer side.

Their "love" consists of calling all Evos Evil Nazi Atheists who want to Destroy Religion.

They can't understand the difference between faith and science -- and somehow think that attacking Evolution buttresses their mythology. My attempts to point out their lies have led to naught. They just change the definitions and move forward. Latest example: They say the AM "confirmed" you were a liar when the AM said to EVERYONE to stop calling people liars. A clear misrepresentation but they even had the stones to repeat it. What can we do with that kind of misrepresentation (i.e. lying)?

You have more patience and stamina than I. I have only been fighting this fight for the future of America a short while.

I thank you now for your continued work on this important task and wish I had your gumption, intelligence and knowledge.

I'll check back in a few months when my strength has returned.
57 posted on 02/23/2006 5:04:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003
I'll check back in a few months when my strength has returned.

We'll be here.

58 posted on 02/23/2006 5:05:48 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Dimensio
It is if the legs are longer as a result of longer-legged offspring having better reproductive success. Just what do you think that evolution states?

Your statement is exactly why evolution will always be a theory and never a fact. In answer to your question: In the life sciences, evolution is a change in the traits of living organisms over generations, including the emergence of new species.

59 posted on 02/23/2006 5:07:27 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever
Your statement is exactly why evolution will always be a theory and never a fact.

I believe that you have forgotten what many others have told you in the past. Scientific theories are the highest "rank" that an explanation for an event can achieve. There is no "graduating" to any higher state, including "fact". A "Fact" in science is not a higher rank than "theory"; in science, "facts" are single data-points. They tell you what's been observed, but beyond that they're of little use. If you want to actually explain things, you need theories.

In the life sciences, evolution is a change in the traits of living organisms over generations, including the emergence of new species.

This is true. How does this contradict what I said?
60 posted on 02/23/2006 5:10:22 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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