1 Million Settlement Dover Lawsuit(Most to ACLU, Americans United,not lawyers)

York Daily Record ^ | 2/22/06 | Lauri Lebo and Michelle Starr

[PatrickHenry]

I donno about the remedies you're thinking of. But the current school board should certainly be looking into suing their predecessors, individually, for the consequences of their unconstitutional actions. Actually, because it's the school board that has to pay the bill, they may have a duty to do so, in order to protect the taxpayers.

[muawiyah]

Alas, you are not keeping religion out of science class. Rather, you are substituting good scientific technique with the heavy hand of the judiciary.

Do you know how long it takes your basic "government grant" driven scientist to see the light in this sort of behavior. Rather than justify your own pursuit of science with evidence all you need to do is go to court and charge that your competitor's proposals are all "stealth religion".

We nearly had this happen with stem cell research ~ the "embryonic" school of thought actually accused the "adult" school of lieing about successful applications. At the same time, under the leadership of "Dr. Kwak" Huang, they, themselves, were engaged in fraud against the government.

You guys are never going to live that down you know.

[muawiyah]

That's all totally irrelevant. Religion should play no part in courtroom proceedings. It's really none of your business what religious motivations anybody has about anything you know. In fact, making such an accusation and demanding the court to take cognizance of the religious life of a litigant is pretty much the same as asking the state to persecute an Orthodox Jew for wearing his hair a certain way.

We would hope everybody was over that sort of cr*p.

[microgood]

Repeatedly in this trial, Plaintiffs' scientific experts testified that the theory of evolution represents good science, is overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, and that it in no way conflicts with, nor does it deny, the existence of a divine creator.

This lowlife actually has the gall to tell people what does and what does not conflict with their religion.

What a fascist piece of liberal scum!

[Deadshot Drifter]

I, personally, don't consider ID or Creationism to be "legitimate religious beliefs" for one thing, and it incenses me to find a judge who thinks he's some sort of government ordained pope with the authority to tell me what is or is not a legitimate religious belief. How's them apples?!

Sounds more like sour Creationist grapes to me.

[muawiyah]

It does?

How so?

You really, really, really gotta' 'splain your statement.

[longshadow]

Actually, because it's the school board that has to pay the bill, they may have a duty to do so, in order to protect the taxpayers.

Music to my ears....

[longtermmemmory]

The ACLU IS LAWYERS.

[Deadshot Drifter]

What a fascist piece of liberal scum!

Ahh cheer up! It's only one little court decision. I'm sure that no fascist liberal scum judges over in England will dare stand up to the Muslim Islamists trying to get Creationism/ID taught as legitimate scientific theories at university.

Academics fight rise of creationism at universities UK"

[microgood]

Ahh cheer up! It's only one little court decision.

True, but a win for the ACLU is a defeat for America and freedom. And some Federal judge telling a school district what to teach in a class is also a defeat for America and freedom.

I'm sure that no fascist liberal scum judges over in England will dare stand up to the Muslim Islamists trying to get Creationism/ID taught as legitimate scientific theories at university.

They won't have to. At the first sign of trouble the professors will scatter like cockroaches do when the light is turned on.

Besides, that is a bad comparison. If Christians acted like Muslims, there would never have been a Dover trial to begin with. And the ACLU would not exist.

In fact, the bottom line is the Christians in this country get smacked around by the ACLU, liberal federal judges, Muslims, Hollywood, liberals, atheists and FR evos and return no violence or threats of violence whatsoever, except in extremely rare circumstances. That kind of shows anyone with even a remote clue who the good guys are.

[Deadshot Drifter]

You really, really, really gotta' 'splain your statement.

Judge Jones nor the woring of his ruling just doesn't strike me as the type of guy who gets off on power or thinks of himself as a government ordained pope. If Creationism isn't a religious belief, what is it?
and ID..ask 10 different people what it is or what the definition of it is and you'll likely get at least 5 different definitions, but the intent of the board in promoting it with Of Pandas and People, became crystal clear during the trial.

Ehh maybe your comments aren't sour grapes, but microgood's sure are.

[microgood]

Judge Jones nor the woring of his ruling just doesn't strike me as the type of guy who gets off on power or thinks of himself as a government ordained pope.

Then why did he order the plaintiffs to change their religious beliefs and declared to the world evolution is not in conflict with religion? And why did he award lawyers fee to the ACLU in a very heavy handed decision. This judge has an agenda from here to Pluto.

Ehh maybe your comments aren't sour grapes, but microgood's sure are.

Sour grapes in defense of liberty is not a vice.

[Deadshot Drifter]

If Christians acted like Muslims, there would never have been a Dover trial to begin with. And the ACLU would not exist.
Very true

In fact, the bottom line is the Christians in this country get smacked around by the ACLU, liberal federal judges, Muslims, Hollywood, liberals, atheists and FR evos and return no violence or threats of violence whatsoever, except in extremely rare circumstances. That kind of shows anyone with even a remote clue who the good guys are.

Jones isn't a liberal though. Judges that are liberal, some Muslims, and liberals smack around everyone, ALL conservatives, not just Christians.

I've seen so-called Christians threaten violence...specifically against academics, stuff about watering the tree of freedom with the blood of tyrants(they meant professors)and check out the Mirecki threads. The real nuts get banned fairly quickly.

I don't think the majority of Christians that want ID taught as a theory are bad guys, just passionate and misguided in using it in an attempt to counter the socialist leanings found in a lot of public schools and colleges. There are better ways to counter it.
ID as science, and the Discovery Institute however, are less than honest and just risible.

[Deadshot Drifter]

Then why did he order the plaintiffs to change their religious beliefs I wasn't aware he did.

and declared to the world evolution is not in conflict with religion? I don't know about other religions, but it's not really in conflict with Christianity. Just some people's interpretation of Genesis.

[microgood]

I don't think the majority of Christians that want ID taught as a theory are bad guys, just passionate and misguided in using it in an attempt to counter the socialist leanings found in a lot of public schools and colleges.

I do not think they are necessarily misguided because they perceive a threat to their children, but you are right, there are better ways to do it.

[microgood]

I don't know about other religions, but it's not really in conflict with Christianity. Just some people's interpretation of Genesis.

My whole point here is that the judge has no right to say that. This is where I believe he is ordering them to change their religious belief, which for them is that evolution is in conflict with Christianity. That is what they believe.

It is one thing to say that cannot be taught in school. It is quite another to declare their religious belief null and void.

[California Patriot]

To the barricades, yes.

Also, terminate with extreme prejudice.

[muawiyah]

Whatever "creationism" might be, if it has a religious element that's really not the business of any government agency in this country.

The judge will need to learn to hold his tongue in the future. Frankly, I don't care what he believes to be religious or non-religious. What I do care about is what he tells me, from the bench, what is religious ~ when he does that, he is violating the Constitution.

[PatrickHenry]

Behold the new law! All some clown has to do to defend his actions in court -- any actions -- is say: "But judge, my actions are religious, and you have no authority to inquire further!"

And the judge, using the all-new Creationist-Constitution, must reply: "Well, golly, then I'm paralyzed. I can't go farther. Case dismissed!"

If only Jeffrey Dahmer had known what magic words to use he'd be a free man today.

[ToryHeartland]

Behold the new law!

Wish I had known about that one last November, during a trip to the States. I was stopped and fined in South Carolina, simply for following my deeply-held religious conviction to drive at 82mph on that wonderful Interstate from Atlanta.

Actually, the quality of your roads compared to ours does induce a sense of reverence!