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Science teachers pan new standards: Guidelines violate church-state separation [Kansas]
Lawrence Journal-World (Kansas) ^ | 14 February 2006 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 02/16/2006 6:32:25 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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It may not be over in Kansas.
1 posted on 02/16/2006 6:32:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 02/16/2006 6:33:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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“By redefining science in the Kansas Science Education Standards, the KSBE is promoting intelligent design tenets that purport supernatural explanations as valid scientific theories,” the association said Monday.

Not theory, hypothesis. There is a difference.

Atheism (the no god God) is a religion too. To absolutely insist that God does not exist is taken on faith.

We must avoid Atheism being established as the state religion as well. The answer is "don't know" (which is the agnotistic position). Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion and religion CAN be discussed in general terms (with no instruction of which faith is right or wrong).

3 posted on 02/16/2006 6:38:07 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Everyone knows that roses are red to memorialize the blood of Jesus that was spilled on the cross.

(I don't know why roses were red prior to that.)

4 posted on 02/16/2006 6:38:26 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: PatrickHenry

Isn't Lawrence where that professor said he was beaten up, then was accused of a hoax? What ever happened with that?


5 posted on 02/16/2006 6:43:48 AM PST by nina0113
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To: PatrickHenry

I guess this raises the question of where in the Constitution it says the government is responsible for teaching and therefore the curriculum must be government controlled.


6 posted on 02/16/2006 6:49:18 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: nina0113
Isn't Lawrence where that professor said he was beaten up, then was accused of a hoax? What ever happened with that?

Do you have a cite for the professor being accused of a hoax? I didn't hear that bit, and if its true the guy should be locked up. I just heard about him getting beaten up.

7 posted on 02/16/2006 6:54:57 AM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: weegee; PatrickHenry
Atheism (the no god God) is a religion too. To absolutely insist that God does not exist is taken on faith.

I absolutely insist that little green men do not live on Mars. This is based on scientific evidence...not faith. Does that make it a religion?

I happen to believe Nature's God exists (based on faith). However, if an athiest doesn't believe in God because there is no scientific evidence to support the existence of God, how does that make athiesm a religion?

8 posted on 02/16/2006 6:55:30 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: PatrickHenry
believe the science standards violate the separation of religion and government by promoting the teaching in public school science classes of intelligent design, an idea that science shows the existence of a creator.

Bogus argument. Teaching anything relating to God in school does not violate the "separation of church and state." ID may violate sound scientific principals, but teaching it does not violate the Constitution.

9 posted on 02/16/2006 6:56:15 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Thatcherite

This is the first thing I could find. I googled him a couple of weeks ago to see if it had been resolved either way, but as of then it hadn't.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004080.htm


10 posted on 02/16/2006 6:58:41 AM PST by nina0113
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To: peyton randolph

How little are those green men you say don't exist? NASA was looking into it for ANY signs of life (not biped, microbiological).


11 posted on 02/16/2006 6:59:03 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: silverleaf

Remember the Constitution is a 'living' evolving document, and that is by extension what gives the 'life' to a dead theory via taxpayer pockets. The gods of knowledge sit supreme.


12 posted on 02/16/2006 6:59:22 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: peyton randolph

If an atheist insists that all mentions of god-talk be removed from the public square, then atheism (no god) is the state religion.


13 posted on 02/16/2006 7:00:40 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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"Atheism (the no god God) is a religion too. To absolutely insist that God does not exist is taken on faith."

You're incorrect, there, weegee. If you want to know what atheists think, ask an atheist, like me.

I do not insist that deities do not exist. I simply do not believe they exist. What you believe is up to you, not me.

It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of something that is, by definition, supernatural. So why would I try?

You believe in a deity. I don't. It's that simple. I don't insist that you stop believing.


14 posted on 02/16/2006 7:01:31 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: The_Victor

What is "teaching it" anyway?

ID is only a hypothesis.

Evolution is only a theory.

The concepts can be presented but they are not absolute scientific fact.


15 posted on 02/16/2006 7:02:22 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: MineralMan

Perhaps you are agnostic then.


16 posted on 02/16/2006 7:03:02 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: weegee

"If an atheist insists that all mentions of god-talk be removed from the public square, then atheism (no god) is the state religion."

Really? So ONE atheist who insists that deities not be mentioned in the public square is enought to establish a state religion? Wow! That must be some powerful atheist.

Go read my posts on FR. I don't mind if people bring their deities to the public square. I'm an atheist.


17 posted on 02/16/2006 7:03:06 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: silverleaf
where in the Constitution it says the government is responsible for teaching and therefore the curriculum must be government controlled.

don't know about KS, but in the Ohio constitution, the state is charged with providing some level of education.

From the ohio constitution

The General Assembly shall make such provisions, by taxation, or otherwise, as, with the income arising from the school trust fund, will secure a thorough and efficient system of common schools throughout the state; but no religious or other sect, or sects, shall ever have any exclusive right to, or control of, any part of the school funds of this state.

18 posted on 02/16/2006 7:04:26 AM PST by staytrue
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To: silverleaf

Shhhh, leave the Constitution out of this. < /sarcasm >


19 posted on 02/16/2006 7:04:30 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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"Perhaps you are agnostic then."

No, I'm not an agnostic. An agnostic says that he doesn't know whether there are deities. Agnostics also often believe that there is no way of knowing.

I'm an athiest. I simply do not believe that any deities or other supernatural entities of any kind exist.


20 posted on 02/16/2006 7:05:07 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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