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First Chimpanzee Fossils Cause Problems for Evolution
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Posted on 02/15/2006 11:47:51 AM PST by truthfinder9

First Chimpanzee Fossils Cause Problems for Evolution

by Fazale (Fuz) R. Rana, Ph.D.

Where were you on September 1, 2005? Perhaps you missed the announcement of a scientific breakthrough: the influential journal Nature published the completed sequence of the chimpanzee genome.1

This remarkable achievement received abundant publicity because it paved the way for biologists to conduct detailed genetic comparisons between humans and chimpanzees.2

Unfortunately, the fanfare surrounding the chimpanzee genome overshadowed a more significant discovery. In the same issue, Nature published a report describing the first-ever chimpanzee fossils. This long-awaited scientific advance barely received notice because of the fascination with the chimpanzee genome. News of the two discoveries produced different reactions among scientists. Evolutionary biologists declared the chimpanzee genome as evidence for human evolution, but some paleoanthropologists were left wondering how humans and chimps could have evolved, based on where the chimpanzee fossils were found.

According to the evolutionary paradigm, humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor. About 5 million years ago, this ancestral primate spawned two evolutionary lineages that led to humans and chimpanzees. Anthropologists consider the physical, geographical separation of hominids and proto-chimpanzees to be the "driving force" for the evolution of humans and chimpanzees. They postulate that the formation of the Rift Valley isolated the hominids in East Africa (a hot, dry savannah) from chimpanzees in Central and West Africa (with warm, wet jungles). The geographical isolation of hominids and chimps, presumably, sent these two lineages along different evolutionary trajectories.

Evolutionary biologists think that fossil hominids like "Lucy," Homo erectus, and Neanderthals document the emergence of humans.4 Yet, until recently paleoanthropologists had no corresponding fossils for the chimpanzee lineage.

Surprisingly, the first chimpanzee fossils were discovered not in West or Central Africa, but in East Africa, near Lake Baringo, Kenya. These fossils, consisting of three teeth, dated to 500,000 years in age--meaning that chimpanzees coexisted alongside hominids. The Rift Valley provided no geographical rift for separate evolutionary histories, and therefore foils a key prediction of the human evolutionary paradigm.

Sally McBrearty, one of the paleoanthropologists who uncovered the chimpanzee fossils, noted, "This means we need a better explanation of why and how chimps and humans went their separate evolutionary ways. The discovery that chimps were living in semi-arid conditions as well as in the jungles seems to blow apart the simplistic idea that it was the shift to the savannah that led to humans walking upright."5

If the discovery blows apart a "simplistic idea," maybe it's time for a simple (and testable) idea--the RTB creation model for human origins.

References

  1. The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium, "Initial Sequence of the Chimpanzee Genome and Comparison with the Human Genome," Nature 437 (2005): 69-87.
  2. See Fazale Rana with Hugh Ross, Who Was Adam? A Creation Model Approach to the Origin of Man (Colorado Springs, CO: NavPress, 2005) for a discussion of human-chimpanzee genetic comparisons from a creation perspective.
  3. Sally McBrearty and Nina G. Jablonski, "First Fossil Chimpanzee," Nature 437 (2005): 105-08.
  4. See Who Was Adam? for a treatment on how the hominid fossil record creates problems for human evolution.
  5. Michael Hopkin, "First Chimp Fossil Unearthed," news@nature.com (August 31, 2005), http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050829/pf/050829-10_pf.html, accessed November 30, 2005.


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To: narby

You know, I really doubt they were all that puzzled. I think I'll look up the article tomorrow and see what they said.


61 posted on 02/15/2006 12:32:24 PM PST by ahayes
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To: js1138

Ignore me and I'll continue to ignore you, fair enough?


62 posted on 02/15/2006 12:33:29 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Strategerist

Come on ... just say it.

A chemist isnt a real scientist, a mathematician isnt a real scientist, an engineer isnt a real scientist.

Only biology professors (Darwinism required) are real scientists.

...

Go back to sleep ...


63 posted on 02/15/2006 12:33:45 PM PST by dartuser (My sincere prayer for terrorists everywhere ... may they rest in pieces.)
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To: Ichneumon
Just how stupid does a creationist have to be to think that finding humans and chimps in the same place at the same time "disproves" evolution in any way?

If this article showed that humans and chimps were always in contact during the last 5 million years or so, it would weaken the speciation argument.

It would have been harder for the two species to diverge genetically if they were constantly breeding as one population during this period.

64 posted on 02/15/2006 12:35:08 PM PST by Potowmack ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: dartuser; Strategerist
Come on ... just say it. A chemist isnt a real scientist, a mathematician isnt a real scientist, an engineer isnt a real scientist. Only biology professors (Darwinism required) are real scientists.

Is there any particular reason you felt the need to lie about what Strategerist actually said?

65 posted on 02/15/2006 12:35:23 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: dartuser

LOL


66 posted on 02/15/2006 12:35:58 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Jeff Chandler
Maybe the chimp was on vacation. You know: get a little sunshine, do a little fishing...

Or maybe looking for a nice place in the suburbs...to get away from it all.

67 posted on 02/15/2006 12:36:29 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthfinder9

The first human hobby; collecting chimp teeth.


68 posted on 02/15/2006 12:37:57 PM PST by Grut
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To: mlc9852

Not if you continue to say stupid things about people I care about.


69 posted on 02/15/2006 12:38:38 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Grut

Or, maybe an early homonoid brought those three teeth home from his travels so his wife could have a nice tooth necklace.


70 posted on 02/15/2006 12:41:42 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Potowmack
If this article showed that humans and chimps were always in contact during the last 5 million years or so, it would weaken the speciation argument.

No, it wouldn't, because there are many modes of speciation which work just fine even with populations that are "always in contact".

Furthermore, this article (an editorial by the anti-evolution creationist group "Reasons.org") didn't even establish *that*. It just shows that 4.5 million years *after* the human and chimp lineages separated, at least one chimp ended up in a region where human ancestors have been found. Big whoop-de-doo.

It would have been harder for the two species to diverge genetically if they were constantly breeding as one population during this period.

Define "harder". Is it "harder" to have a mutation which triggers sympatric speciation, or is it "harder" to become geographically isolated? Both seem not "hard" at all -- populations keep living their lives, and thanks to nature s**t happens (without any effort at all) that has an effect on the future of your descendants.

It either happened or it didn't, and mountains of evidence overwhelmingly indicate that it did. In any case, again, the creationist spin in no way establishes that this *was* even the case. They're just propagandizing by misrepresenting the implications of a find.

Whether they do this through incompetence, or dishonesty, or a combination of the two, is left as an exercise for the reader. Lord knows the creationists have exhibited an endless capacity for both.

71 posted on 02/15/2006 12:46:42 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: js1138

Oh, I am soooo sorry! I would never, ever do anything to upset an atheist!


72 posted on 02/15/2006 12:47:18 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Right Wing Professor
I'm thinking of rating creationist articles in 'Hams', with 5 Hams being an average stupid creationist article, 0 Hams being not at all stupid (of course, no zero Ham creationist article has ever been observed), and 10 Hams being dumber than a Liberty University brick. This is about 8 Hams.

Won't that offend the mooslims??

73 posted on 02/15/2006 12:48:29 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
Won't that offend the mooslims??

An added bonus!

74 posted on 02/15/2006 12:50:58 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: truthfinder9
"They postulate that the formation of the Rift Valley isolated the hominids in East Africa (a hot, dry savannah) from chimpanzees in Central and West Africa (with warm, wet jungles). The geographical isolation of hominids and chimps, presumably, sent these two lineages along different evolutionary trajectories."

I just love this part.....LMFAO!

75 posted on 02/15/2006 12:53:01 PM PST by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: mlc9852

Wow, you're a jerk.


76 posted on 02/15/2006 12:56:01 PM PST by ahayes
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To: Ichneumon
Furthermore, this article (an editorial by the anti-evolution creationist group "Reasons.org") didn't even establish *that*. It just shows that 4.5 million years *after* the human and chimp lineages separated, at least one chimp ended up in a region where human ancestors have been found. Big deal

Actually, if you read the Nature article, all they know for sure is that three chimp teeth ended up in Kenya. Creationists, of course, ridicule inferences from fragmentary fossil evidence, except when they think they have something that disproves evolution.

My alternative scenario: a conversation between two Homo ergasters....

"Ug! Ug back! No see long time. Where Ug been?

"Been way out direction sun set. Land of big trees. Big trees, many trees."

"Ug find food good to eat?"

"Much food good to eat. Especially hairy tree men. Ug kill one, eat, save teeth. Look see!"

77 posted on 02/15/2006 12:56:51 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: ahayes

Well, that is one of the nicest things an atheist has ever said to me! Thank you for making my day.


78 posted on 02/15/2006 12:57:18 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Sorry to disappoint--not an atheist.

And if you claim to be a Christian, you're making God look pretty bad.


79 posted on 02/15/2006 12:58:09 PM PST by ahayes
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To: Ichneumon
No, it wouldn't, because there are many modes of speciation which work just fine even with populations that are "always in contact".

How would that work? If a population of critters is always more or less one group with no geographic borders separating them into sub-groups, how would speciation occur?

After all, wouldn't any mutations in the population spread throughout the population?

Now, the population might evolve, as a whole, from Species A to Species B over a long period. However, unless the population is separated into subgroups, I don't see how you could end up with two different species at the end of this period.

80 posted on 02/15/2006 12:59:22 PM PST by Potowmack ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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