Posted on 02/11/2006 6:58:42 PM PST by Jean S
That is also why in civil trials, answers are usually prefaced with "as I recall".
You are required to answer to your best recollection, not "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
It is to be the truth as you remember it.
Thanks Howlin for the pingies.
It certainly is interesting that Fitzgerald seems to have admitted that he did not do the requisite investigation into Plame's employment status. If I remember correctly, Fitzgerald's original mandate was to investigate precisely that thing (as well as whether the IIPA was violated, or other unauthorized disclosures of confidential material were made), and within a few months after his investigation began, he went to the Federal judge overseeing his investigation and asked for permission to expand the scope to cover perjury and obstruction that may have occurred during his investigation. In making that request, Fitzgerald evidently made representations to the judge that national security was involved, and based on those representations, the judge expanded the scope of Fitzgerald's investigation. So, it is entirely likely that Fitzgerald committed a fraud upon the court by making such a claim when he had evidently not even investigated Plame's employment status - which means that Fitzgerald could be in a ton of legal hot water himself. My (purely speculative) guess is that Libby's attorneys may be going after that angle.
How is Libby's lawyer supposed to mount a defense when Fitz won't give him the information he needs?
I'd change your "when" to an "if," and in the event that Fitz fails to turn over Brady (exculpatory) material, Fitz will lose.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1575259/posts?page=128#128
Mr. Fitzgerald has found nothing to support the claims that Libby lied to cover for exposing Plame to the public for political gain.
This man just did the finest job of any lawyer I have seen, spending the necessary time to get the info, let the press back off, and pursue injustice in the public's interest.
He found THERE WAS NONE. President Bush had no trouble picking the best man, the most diligent and successful at this type of prosecution, to do the finding. And to return the results no matter which way the dominoes fell.
Because we all knew, it just wasn't 'there'.
Please. Have patience.
The Dems claim there is a crime.
The President is taking the responsbility to have justice pursue the issue.
Now, when it is proven there was no crime in exposing a non-spy, do you think all that effort might have been to hide a much larger and more innocuous crime?
What does the company that Joe Wilson owns, that was in Niger and he was flying down to speak for, do?
Many thanks for the ping! :-)
Is it just me or is it sounding like not only did Fitzgerald not find anything, he didn't really honestly ATTEMPT to find anything.
York makes it sound like he spent a long darn time, took up a lot of important people's time, and spent whole lot of money when this could have been resolved towards the beginning by requesting a couple of documents to see if it was even possible for a crime to have been commited.
Am I missing something here?
When Rush mentioned this not too long ago, I thought it was said tongue in cheek as I clearly heard Fitzgerald explain the gravity of what had been done to poor Mrs. Wilson and all those who work for the CIA. Why aren't members of congress out there crying foul as they, quite effectively, did against Judge Starr during impeachment?
I renew my question. Is it just me or did this guy just spend several years, several million dollars, and suck up time of half of the Bush administration when this could have been resolved by requesting a little paperwork?
Please tell me I'm missing something.
In order for Libby to bes guilty of perjury, or anything else he is now being charged with, Fitz MUST prove that he lied to those he claimed he lied to and obstructed justice. But...don't forget that Miller was thrown into jail, NOT so much because she refused to "peach" on Libby, but because she also refused to talk about another case as well. Shes just refused to talk about ANYTHING!
She was thrown into jail, Fitz finally made a deal with her...her playing nicey nicey on the Libby thing, for her being allowed to NOT have to talk about what else Fitz wanted her on.
Is that collusion? Can it be used to refute a "he said/she said" kind of perjury case? I don't know. What I do know, is that Fitz ran this investigation worse than anyone could have imagined and that there really are enough holes in it, that he needs to worry about his reputation.
Spot on! :-)
Precisely what the dems were asking during impeachment and precisely what the pubbies in congress should be asking now! All we've heard from the MSM is how thorough this guy is and now that we've learn otherwise, not a peep.
I will be calling my representative in congress first thing Monday. Might even call Schumer and Clinton to let them know we're paying attention.
This is absolutely kafkaesque! If there is any justice the courts should make Fitzgerald comply with discovery or, better yet, throw the case out.
Isn't it though? We have a prosecutor, wielding all of the power of the DOJ, going after the White House, with all of the political implications, during a time of war and he's not sure if a crime was committed? Kafkaesque is a good description.
Did you see this?
IIRC: Woodward said that he may have told Libby about Plame. I think "Reporters" knew from other sources about Plame before Novak and Libby as early as June of '93.
“We have neither sought, much less obtained, ‘all documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson’s status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003, and July 14, 2003.’”
Them is legal weasel words, of course he does not have or requested "all". But does he have any?
And FYI...during this whole Libby/Palme thing, Fitz was busy working on cases in Chicago and was NOT paying much attention, at all, to this one. But, when push came to shove, he indicted a ham sandwich, is all.
Of course there was perjury (way more clumsy than what Libby is accused of). Clinton was impeached for it and lost his law license for a while.
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