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This week's 20/20 could be worth watching!

Of the ten topics Stossel takes on this week, my favorite is this one:

No. 2 -- MYTH -- Urban Sprawl Is Ruining America

Suburban sprawl is evil. The unplanned growth, cookie cutter developments is gobbling up all the space and ruining America. Right?

Wrong.

The others are good, too, but this one really hits close to home for many of us. If it wasn't for "sprawl" we wouldn't have a home.

Enjoy!

1 posted on 02/10/2006 7:45:19 PM PST by logician2u
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To: logician2u

This is going to be a very difficult discussion if we insist on using "URBAN" and "SUBURBAN" interchangeably.

They are as different as Red states and Blue.


2 posted on 02/10/2006 7:47:30 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: logician2u

well glad he figured it all out
now i can go back to sleep everyting is good


4 posted on 02/10/2006 7:51:00 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: logician2u

How about exploding the myth that people who use cell phones in public places are evil? I'm about fed up with that one.


5 posted on 02/10/2006 7:52:10 PM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: logician2u
No. 2 -- MYTH -- Urban Sprawl Is Ruining America

I don't know if I agree that urban sprawl being bad is a myth. It has always existed, BUT, Firstly, much of it has happened because families have been driven out of liberal-dominated cities and their stagnant economies and soft-on-crime politics. If it weren't for liberals in the cities, there would be less sprawl.

Number 2, add in property-rights-destoying laws (that Stossel would definitely oppose on libertarian grounds), such as open space laws which prohibit development, and sprawl gets even worse.

Number 3, towns know that businesses bring in tax dollars but schools cost money. Given our lack of property rights, towns preferentially zone for businesses. This necessarily separates jobs from the residences, increasing sprawl. The old liberal bugaboo, the Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again: "free" public schools create sprawl.

Number 4, (and this is more controversial), rent-seeking homeowners. Minimum lot sizes, restrictions on multi-families etc... I think that the public schools also drive this. The quality of a school is largely determined by the quality of the other students (as opposed to funding or teachers), so neighborhoods use zoning laws to self-segregate based on socio-economic status.

Does any of this mean that we wouldn't still have sprawl? Of course not. But I'll bet it would be a lot less with universal school vouchers, stronger property rights, and conservatives running the cities.

7 posted on 02/10/2006 7:55:00 PM PST by Jibaholic (We wouldn't let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? -- Josef Stalin)
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To: logician2u
I told Kunstler "smart growth" is destroying the lives of poor people, that he's basically telling low-income people who want back yards that they can't have one.

"Well, you can't have everything," Kunstler said.

Sums up the greenie philosophy in a sentance. Or it would, had he added, "and folks like me get to decide who gets what."

9 posted on 02/10/2006 7:56:15 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: logician2u
One "myth" he will never explode is that liberals are self imploding and the rat party is on its way out. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

"I love you Mini me! You complete me!"

"EEEEEEEE!"

12 posted on 02/10/2006 7:56:59 PM PST by Screamname (Tagline)
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To: logician2u

HERE IS THE BEST QUOTE FROM THIS ARTICLE:

private property rarely gets abused or degraded.


And there's an explanation for this. "When something belongs to everyone, it belongs to no one. No one owns it. There's no incentive to take care of it. It gets abused and degraded," Roberts said.

Private property sounds selfish. We think of rich people taking advantage of other people. But it works a lot better, Roberts said.


17 posted on 02/10/2006 8:28:36 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: logician2u

When I told this to people at the gas station they didn't believe me. And why should they? The media keep telling us about the record high prices — they're just not adjusting for inflation!




I really don't care about "adjusting for inflation". I can't pay for gas in 1980's money, so in REAL money, it's ridiculous that in many areas in this country this coming summer gas prices will approach $4 per gallon.


24 posted on 02/10/2006 9:03:19 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Where did they get those ref's, the WWE?)
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To: logician2u

I like his myth segments.


33 posted on 02/10/2006 9:42:43 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: logician2u

Stossel is dam man!


41 posted on 02/10/2006 10:02:39 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: logician2u

Full list here:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=448934&page=1

No. 10 — NASTY BEHAVIOR — Littering
No. 9 — NASTY BEHAVIOR: Extra Cell Phone Fees
No. 8 — NASTY BEHAVIOR — Noise
No. 7 — MYTH — Gas Prices Are Higher Than Ever
No. 6 — NASTY BEHAVIOR — Congress' Pork Barrel Spending
No. 5 — NASTY BEHAVIOR — Welfare for Farmers
No. 4 — MYTH: Outsourcing Is Bad for American Workers
No. 3 — MYTH: Public Schools for Poor Kids, Not Politicians' Kids
No. 2 — MYTH — Urban Sprawl Is Ruining America
MYTH No. 1 Sharing Would Make the World a Better Place


59 posted on 02/10/2006 10:21:34 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: logician2u

So when adjusted for inflation gasoline is slightly less expensive now than it was during it's worst crisis ever?

I'm so relieved!


62 posted on 02/10/2006 10:23:54 PM PST by voteconstitutionparty
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To: logician2u

But the reality is that the "record high gas prices" are a myth. The U.S. Department of Energy records show that when you adjust for inflation the price of gas is now lower than it's been for most of the twentieth century. Prices are lower now than they were 25 years ago.

REPLY:

The problem is that my income has not kept up with inflation.

Adjusting my income still doesn't make up for what I was making 25 years ago, then yes, no or maybe the prices are not to high, I guess.


64 posted on 02/10/2006 10:24:10 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: logician2u

The soultion for Urban Sprawl

The solution to problem caused by the solution of urban sprawl.

73 posted on 02/10/2006 11:05:52 PM PST by oyez (Appeasement is insanity.)
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To: logician2u

I wonder if ABC ever regrets hiring John Stossel?


85 posted on 02/11/2006 12:29:21 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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