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To: CarolinaGuitarman

From what I know, Stalin seemed a little more threatened by the Christians than the Medelian geneticists. Long after he was dead, the unregistered churches were still meeting in secret and the KGB was searching everyone's luggage (including mine) to make sure no Bibles were being smuggled in. Heaven forbid that a Russian would have access to a Bible. No one seemed to be too worried about their reading Darwin. No political conflict between Darwin and tyranny - in fact, the two naturally fit together. Big political conflict between Jesus and tyranny.

When all men, including rulers, are accountable to the God of creation, then the following self evident truths have meaning: (1) that all men are created equal, (2) that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights and (3) that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. When man's existence is deemed to be a result of random genetic mutations with the fittest surviving, all bets are off. The above words are meaningless. You usually end up with whoever is willing to kill the most people in the most heinous ways becomes the ruling class. That is where post Christian Europe and America are heading.


156 posted on 02/10/2006 2:51:38 PM PST by Snowbelt Man (ideas have consequences)
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To: Snowbelt Man
No political conflict between Darwin and tyranny - in fact, the two naturally fit together.

Please explain how Darwin naturally "fits" with tyranny. Be specific.
166 posted on 02/10/2006 3:12:49 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Snowbelt Man
When all men, including rulers, are accountable to the God of creation, then the following self evident truths have meaning: (1) that all men are created equal, (2) that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights and (3) that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.

Tell the Czar.

Seriously, the words probably "had meaning" to Charlemagne, Ivan the Terrible, and Suleiman the Magnificent, but they weren't implemented until people revolted against their "anointed king", their ruler "by the grace of God".

175 posted on 02/10/2006 3:59:35 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Snowbelt Man
"From what I know, Stalin seemed a little more threatened by the Christians than the Medelian geneticists."

He had Mendelians killed.

"No one seemed to be too worried about their reading Darwin."

He had those teaching natural selection imprisoned or killed.

"No political conflict between Darwin and tyranny - in fact, the two naturally fit together. Big political conflict between Jesus and tyranny."

Evolution has nothing to do with political theories. On the other hand, theocracies (tyrannies) have been established in the name of Christ.

"When man's existence is deemed to be a result of random genetic mutations with the fittest surviving, all bets are off. The above words are meaningless."

Says you.

To stick to the point I made, Stalin was against natural selection and against Mendelain genetics. That's a fact. He had supporters of both persecuted/killed (under the influence of Lysenko). Stop jumping all over the place and stay on topic.
187 posted on 02/10/2006 6:21:16 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Snowbelt Man
From what I know, Stalin seemed a little more threatened by the Christians than the Medelian geneticists.

Then you seem to know little about the Soviet era.

212 posted on 02/10/2006 8:41:17 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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