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To: Dimples

Under the income tax system, a person uses his under-the-table wages to purchase a new laptop computer. The transaction is counted in the PCE.

Tax revenues are not generated under the evasion of the income tax lowering the numerator of the rate required for revenue neutrality.

Under the FairTax the new lap top is taxed and thus is legitimately counted for the FairTax accounting towards revenue neutrality of a number less than what would exist were the income tax not evaded.

In the fair tax tax revenue would be collected on purchase of the laptop offsetting the tax not collected in income taxes, but counted in PCE where the tax would be collected on the purchase. The situation is a wash.

You are overlooking the fact there is two sides to the tax ledger, revenues collected vs tax base that combine to make a rate commensurate with a given level of revenues targeted.

Under the FairTax, that person asks his employer to purchase the laptop for him and pays the employer's cost. Since the employer used to pay him under the table anyway, he's quite confortable with idea; after all, who's going to inventory his equipment? and even if they do, he'll just say the laptop is for business use. That purchase shifts OUT of the PCE.

Under the the income tax that laptop is purchased as a business expense of the employer and not declared as part of PCE thus counted exactly the same as the situation that arises with the retail sales tax of the FairTax, PCE (the denominator) is reduced thus evasion is properly accounted for as equivalent in both tax systems.

Your examples merely demonstrate the point that similar business tax fraud occurs in both systems and the rates based on revenue collected vs PCE reflect the assumptions of the same amount of tax evasion in each case.

The AFFT Tax base calculations MAKE NO ALLOWANCE FOR THESE SHIFTs OF PURCHASING BEHAVIOR, despite what ancient_geezer claims.

The allowence is inherent in the NIPA data series used, shifts in behaviour are in method of the perpetrator and action to effectuate the evasion but not overall amounts and are reflected in the numerator (tax revenues collected) and the tax base denominator of PCE, rendering a rate commensurate with the static methodologies in current use by OMB & Treasury.

Under the FairTax, the incentive to avoid and evade shift from a focus on income to a focus on consumption. Under the FairTax, the incentive to avoid and evade shift from a focus on income to a focus on consumption. This shift will NECESSIARILY cause the PCE to change as formerly counted, taxable purchases, are avoided or evaded in order to avoid or evade paying tax.

The shifts in behaviour merely reflect methodology of avoidence and are reflected in both denominator and numerator. The assumption of similar rates of evasions yield the appropriate rate for use in the FairTax rate required to achieve revenue neutrality.

87 posted on 02/11/2006 2:19:57 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ancient_geezer; Dimples
The allowence is inherent in the NIPA data series used, shifts in behaviour are in method of the perpetrator and action to effectuate the evasion but not overall amounts and are reflected in the numerator (tax revenues collected) and the tax base denominator of PCE, rendering a rate commensurate with the static methodologies in current use by OMB & Treasury.
You can always tell when AG doesn't know what he's talking about. He starts using big words and tortuous sentences to try and obfuscate the fact that he is full of it.

Right now I pay my income taxes (the numerator) and the computer I just bought is in the PCE (the denominator). After the income tax, I start a "business" and buy that same computer tax free. Or I don't start a business and buy the computer from Canada, tax free. Either way, a purchase that would have been in the PCE has evaded/avoided the FairTax. The numerator is still the same, but the denominator is smaller.
92 posted on 02/11/2006 6:13:40 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: ancient_geezer
The shifts in behaviour merely reflect methodology of avoidence and are reflected in both denominator and numerator. The assumption of similar rates of evasions yield the appropriate rate for use in the FairTax rate required to achieve revenue neutrality.
AG, the "numerator" is actually revenue, which is the base (income) times the rate. The rate has been adjusted up to account for the reduced base due to evasion/avoidance. Revenues haven't gone down because of evasion/avoidance, the rate has gone up. The "denominator" shows no effects of evasion/avoidance (someone who claims a deduction on their taxes that they aren't eligible for still buys stuff at BestBuy).

After the FairTax, the numerator is still the same (the same revenue must be generated), but now evasion/avoidance is focused on the denominator. The person who previously evaded/avoided by reducing their taxable income must now evade/avoid by reducing their taxable expenditures. The denominator is reduced while the numerator stays the same. This means the rate must be adjusted up, just like the income tax rate has been, to produce the same revenue.
95 posted on 02/11/2006 6:53:17 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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