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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis claims:

I stand on the side of individual rights, you are standing on the side of collectivism.

You stand on the side of banning employees guns from parking lots luis.

There is no Constitutional right to park tommy...I don't care how much you try to twist this into a Second Amendment issue, it isn't, it's a parking issue.

It's both. Most all of us commute to work in cars and you want to stop employees from having a gun in that car.

My employee absolutely retains his right to bear arms, until the moment that he enters my property,

See? You claim he's lost his RKBA's by entering. Rational States like Alaska, Oklahoma and Utah differ, as well may the USSC, if the issue ever comes before them.

at that moment, my property rights take over and he is allowed on my property only with my approval.

In the real world employees are required to park on your property, by local ordinance.

Bull hockers...I live in the real world, and employees are not required to drive to work, let alone park some place specifically.

Deny reality if you must luis, but in most of the USA, mandated company parking is a fact of local law.

293 posted on 02/11/2006 8:35:38 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"You stand on the side of banning employees guns from parking lots luis."

I stand on my individual rights as a property owner to make a choice in whether or not I want to allow guns on my property, you want to use the government to abrogate my right to make that decision, and force your will on me via the force of government.

You stand for collectivism.

It isn't a Second Amendment issue at all, it's a convenient parking issue. If you have no car, you have no issue, and your RKBA's are left untouched.

Yet, my property rights are violated in the nae of the mob with cars wishing to avoid the inconvenience of parking elsewhere, or finding other work.

That's collectivism attacking individualism, and you stand on the side of collectivism.

"You claim he's lost his RKBA's by entering."

That's right, I am not bound to grant him entrance to my property against my wishes, so I define his RKBA inside my property.

You want to take my right away as a property owner to make the decision.

You stand for collectivism and abrogation of rights via force of government.

"You claim he's lost his RKBA's by entering. Rational States like Alaska, Oklahoma and Utah differ"

You claim that your rights supersede my rights on my own property.

Those States caved in under pressure from the mob and acted to abrogate property rights in the name of collectivism.

Florida now wants to expand their assault on property rights, which began with decisions to take property away from property owners NOT for public use, but for private use in order to benefit the community via increased tax revenues...A.K.A. collectivism.

"Deny reality"

Your unsupported allegation is not a reality, post the regulations and ordinances confining employees to strictly park on a company-owned lot.

296 posted on 02/11/2006 8:58:55 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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