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To: A. Pole
I agree when I was in grad school I was shocked to find pout what a 'money maker' foreigners were for the school. Another thing to do is to stop US universities from treating foreign students as a form of 'indentured servants' by rigorously enforcing visas. Let me explain ,Professors will often drag out the graduate of a 'producing' to milk research & papers out of him or her. Foreign students are caught between their visa requirements, desire to graduate & desired to stay here. However because visa enforcement is so lax professors can exploit that and drag out the foreign students stay. The foreign student is caught by a set of 'golden handcuffs' he likes it here but would like to graduate. So the graduate 'plum' is dangling out to get the students cooperation in dragging out his research and hence the students graduation. If student visa stays were rigorously enforced that incentive would dry up.
Also remember at state universities the state taxpayer foots the majority of the American students bill. All breaks, incentives, etc. SHOULD GO TO THE AMERICAN STUDENT not to the foreign student.
505 posted on 02/05/2006 7:11:14 AM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: Reily; A. Pole
I agree when I was in grad school I was shocked to find pout what a 'money maker' foreigners were for the school. Another thing to do is to stop US universities from treating foreign students as a form of 'indentured servants' by rigorously enforcing visas.

And if the grad student had no prospect of a US job (no H1B increase), he would have less incentive in coming to a US university rather than getting his grad degree in India or wherever

629 posted on 02/05/2006 5:03:54 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Reily
I agree when I was in grad school I was shocked to find pout what a 'money maker' foreigners were for the school. Another thing to do is to stop US universities from treating foreign students as a form of 'indentured servants' by rigorously enforcing visas. Let me explain ,Professors will often drag out the graduate of a 'producing' to milk research & papers out of him or her. Foreign students are caught between their visa requirements, desire to graduate & desired to stay here. However because visa enforcement is so lax professors can exploit that and drag out the foreign students stay. The foreign student is caught by a set of 'golden handcuffs' he likes it here but would like to graduate. So the graduate 'plum' is dangling out to get the students cooperation in dragging out his research and hence the students graduation. If student visa stays were rigorously enforced that incentive would dry up.
Also remember at state universities the state taxpayer foots the majority of the American students bill. All breaks, incentives, etc. SHOULD GO TO THE AMERICAN STUDENT not to the foreign student.


I think we need to revamp our education system. First cut the politically correct BS out of it. We need some sort of aid for students who show an aptitude for sciences and engineering to help pay for part or all of their educational costs and tag that aid to perormance meaning that if they do poorly, no more aid. It would be like how the GI Bill funded soldier's education after World War II. The rest of the world does this in one for or another and they turn out bright students and in order to keep up, we must start to look at ideas that do work. Instead we are cutting back on student loans. Maybe the idea too i requiresome equity in return for the state paid education or loan repayment, maybe a stint in the Armed Forces or some civilian equivalent such as a newly minted doctor serving in a rural area for example. I'm just putting this out for ideas but sometimes we need to study what other nations do and tweak it to our system. If we are to compete, as the free traders say, then we must fight like they do. We need another Eisenhower who saw the need to beef up the education sytem after he saw the Soviets launch Sputnik.
705 posted on 02/07/2006 7:17:53 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Q: What are the most sought after antiques? A: Anything with "Made in USA" on it, Thanks AK)
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