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To: Drango
I sincerely doubt your analysis. If the talent in question stays in China or India or Brazil, do you think Microsoft and Citicorp are going to refrain from hiring them? They aren't you know. They are just going to open a branch in China or India or Brazil. The jobs and capital go where they can get the talent. You can't stop it, it is a law of nature. You can however make the talent as mobile as the capital, and have it happen here with our tax base benefiting.

It is perfectly sensible to oppose non-enforcement of the border with Mexico, assimilation problems, insist on legality etc. It is marginally understandable to oppose lots of unskilled workers. But opposing imports of genuises is stark raving mad.

10 posted on 02/04/2006 4:58:49 AM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Yes I think Microsoft will still hire the talent in India, China etc. But they won't get the same productivity out of them. Meanwhile 20,000 college students in the US won't have foreign competition. Their salaries will go up. More students in the US will see High Tech as a good career and enter the field.
15 posted on 02/04/2006 5:04:38 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: JasonC
If the talent in question stays in China or India or Brazil, do you think Microsoft and Citicorp are going to refrain from hiring them? They aren't you know. They are just going to open a branch in China or India or Brazil. The jobs and capital go where they can get the talent.

You left one word out of that statement. The jobs and the captial will go where they can get the cheaper talent. That is the overriding issue in all this, not the lack of adequate local talent. Not lack of competent U.S. engineers or well-trained and motivated U.S. programmers. There is not, nor has there been for some time a lack of qualified U.S. applicants in virtually all the situations. It is the salary differential that is the difference. Why should the U.S. company pay the going rate for a talented and experienced U.S. engineer or IT professional when they can bring in a H-1B for less or outsource it to a foreign country entirely for even less than the H-1B? And why should a U.S. student bust their hump for four or five or six years only to join a profession that's racing towards the bottom in terms of compensation?

16 posted on 02/04/2006 5:06:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: JasonC

Great. Then let the Federal Government outsource what we are doing in Iraq and around the world to be the world's policeman.

The American military, paid for by the American taxpayer, provides a lot of stablility in the world.

What exactly are American soldiers fighting for if we live in such a "global world" that the American middle class is being made to compete with cheap foreign labor and large corporations that used to hire Americans are now global?

Myself, I'd tie foreign trade to human rights. China sure wouldn't have most favored nation status until you could preach the gospel and hold church services in your home without getting thrown in jail for it.

Although one problem with my idea is that women don't have much in the way of rights in most middle east countries, so there would be a problem if we did't buy oil from them until their women had the same rights as our women...

I am sure the American politicians are bought and paid for by big business on these issues, but I have a real problem with seeing Americans that are willing and able to work having to compete with much cheaper foreign labor from nations that do not support basic human rights and don't do much to support world stability.

Let these foreign geniuses serve two years in the American military as part of the deal.

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I sincerely doubt your analysis. If the talent in question stays in China or India or Brazil, do you think Microsoft and Citicorp are going to refrain from hiring them? They aren't you know. They are just going to open a branch in China or India or Brazil. The jobs and capital go where they can get the talent. You can't stop it, it is a law of nature. You can however make the talent as mobile as the capital, and have it happen here with our tax base benefiting.

It is perfectly sensible to oppose non-enforcement of the border with Mexico, assimilation problems, insist on legality etc. It is marginally understandable to oppose lots of unskilled workers. But opposing imports of genuises is stark raving mad.


115 posted on 02/04/2006 6:53:12 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: JasonC
But opposing imports of genuises is stark raving mad.

ROTFLMAO

142 posted on 02/04/2006 7:21:34 AM PST by Vortex (Garbage in, Garbage Out)
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To: JasonC

But opposing imports of genuises is stark raving mad.



Importing genuises when you have a country of 300 million educated Americans, plenty of them genuises... is stark raving mad.

Importing these GENUISES so that big Biz can pay them less and work them harder than their American counterparts.... is Stark Raving Mad.

Especially when many of these GENUISES come here with contempt for America, then giving them security clearances...... that is without a doubt

STARK RAVING MAD


568 posted on 02/05/2006 8:49:00 AM PST by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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