Bush urges US Congress to lift H-1B visa limit

PTI ^ | February 03, 2006 | Sridhar Krishnaswami

[logician2u]

Bush knows we can't have a One World socialist government until the US standard of living is lowered to the rest of the world.

Can I have some of your tinfoil? I fear an NWO attack is imminent.

[Itzlzha]

Well said!

I notice the response you seem to be getting from the "Laissez Faire" types here, that are willing to sell the World the rope to lynch us with...

[maui_hawaii]

Its not unsolicited.

I am soliciting it now.

It would entail an educated conversation, more than the mudslinging going on here.

I am throwing down the challenge for an educated debate rather than this partisan mudslinging with you on one end of the spectrum and others on the other...with each other talking past one another.

I throw the challenge to you.

[B4Ranch]

I'd stick around for your reply but I'm out the door to the gun show.

[hedgetrimmer]

Pure slander

What slander? You talk about workers. You don't talk about citizens.

[dalereed]

I hope you are young and have to suffer with it.

I'm 68 and have seen this coming for 40 years and the only reason it hasn't totally occured is conservatives have been fighting it tooth and nail for as long as I can remember. Thankfully, I won't have to live that many years with it.

Enjoy yourself future slave.

[JasonC]

That long ago - right before a particularly strong bout of Carter inflation incidentally - the average hourly wage was under $5. Broad CPI and average wages are up about the same amount since then. Disposable income is up twice as much - 7.26 times - because of more people working (a lot more 2 earner families e.g) - and higher income from things besides wages (interest, rents, dividends, etc). Individually you may not have kept pace with inflation at its strongest, 1970s levels. That can and does happen. But on average we are all vastly better off than we were in the 1970s - when a TRS-80 was newly fangled, only a few percent of the population had ever been on an airplane, there was no cable let alone internet, etc. Not to mention the horror of the clothes, and oh god the hairstyles...

[JasonC]

Slander - "There are no nations"
Slander - "There is no love for an archaic old piece of paper called the US Constitution"
Slander - "no obligation to perpetuate the American way.

Direct quotes. Guilty as charged. You can admit it and apologize, or be an ass.

[maui_hawaii]

It appears that JasonC fears the debate that may well end his BS.

[JasonC]

Debate about what? You are picking a fight, not raising a subject. Why would I want to debate you about nothing?

[JasonC]

Net worth is growing not shrinking. Yes debt is growing too, but net worth is what you get after you back that out ("net"). US "savings" consists primarily in stock and house appreciation.

[1rudeboy]

Citizens have rights. Remittances are foreign aid. Citizens rights to representation in this matter have been abrogated.

I have a right to tell you how to spend your money? Sign me up.

[maui_hawaii]

Its there. I called you to it.

I pinged.

I did it in response to your posts here and your mannerisms here.

The thread is there waiting for you.

Its going to take some reading-and some thinking-if you are up for it.

[Itzlzha]

The salary they artificially created to cut their margins is up 64% in the last 16 years.

Hmm....really?

Maybe a little more depth is needed in your understanding of economics...

Sociologist Lisa Catanzarite looked at many different occupations across 38 major metropolitan areas. She found that the higher the percentage of "recent immigrant Latino men" [RILM] in each local job, the lower the wages paid to citizens and established immigrants.

She writes:
"The pay penalty in occupation-MAs [Metropolitan Areas] with 25% RILM [recent immigrant Latino men] amounts to $2,369 per year; at 15% RILM, the penalty is $1,421, and at 5% RILM, $474. These are substantial wage discounts, given that annual earnings average $21,590. In other words, in occupations with 25% RILM, workers earn only 89% as much as workers in comparable fields without RILM."

In other words: all else being equal, if the makeup of your occupation's local labor pool changes from 0% new immigrant to 25%, your income shrinks 11%. (source...http://www.ncpa.org/iss/imm/2003/pd081903c.html and http://www.chicano.ucla.edu/)

And that only accounts for the unskilled Labor market...the % difference is GREATER in the "Skilled" Labor segment. And don't deny it, because the demands for H-1B's PROVES it's more profitable for Companies to follow this business model that GUTS the American Middle Class!

You sound like a cheap cloth salesman..."never mind the quality...feel the width!"

So stuff your cheap Karl Marx allusions...free markets economies are not free if the PLAYING FIELD is not level, and the game is rigged!

[Itzlzha]

And I don't do unsolicited pings, incidentally.

Really? then what was Post 270? I didn't ping you...

[Itzlzha]

Ooops...I meant 275. You were responding to my 270.

My mistake.

[hedgetrimmer]

Did I say JasonC said there are no nations? Or did I say "free traders"?

[Reaganwuzthebest]

You are picking a fight, not raising a subject.

The ones ususally picking the fights are free traders with their inflammatory rhetoric. The US didn't become the greatest country in the world by being a bunch of lazy idiots, which WilliamofCarmichael pointed out very well in post 262 and you didn't respond to. It's one thing for corporations to harp they need more cheap labor but when the president does it that's a different story. It reminds me of the malaise speech in 1979.

[Itzlzha]

Thanks B4! ;^)

[JasonC]

What subject? Why is this a hard question? I just want to know what you think we have to talk about, because frankly I have (1) no idea who you are or (2) what your opinions are on any of this or (3) what you think of mine or (4) why I should care.