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To: MACVSOG68
Others would move us out of the UN and disband all treaties and agreements we have entered into over the past hundred years or so.

It's only been 60 years since the U.N. was formed.

Look, I know the strategy; if I start to try to explain how CAFTA and others denigrate our sovreignty, you will come back with a rejoinder, which in your mind at least, will mean that you have successfully countered my argument.

If you didn't like my earlier examples of how it and others will destroy our sovreignty, perhaps you should try to understand why I think they do. To wit; any multi-national agreement (treaty) that sets some non-accountable agency above our own Senate, House, Executive Branch, and Judiciary, will, in my book, detract from our national sovreignty.

And it has already happened. The WTO effectively dictates our domestic farm policy. NAFTA has interceded in our ability to make trade agreements, and since I and other FReepers made reference many times to the CAFTA will exacerbate the illegal immigration issue, I don't know why you still have trouble seeing the loss of our sovreignty.

And, as I have already posted; the FTAA is "trade" agreements on steroids. (Actually, it is more about control than trade, but I have said that many times as well.)

248 posted on 01/23/2006 12:51:22 PM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: Designer
It's only been 60 years since the U.N. was formed.

What I said was..."and disband all treaties and agreements we have entered into over the past hundred years. They had nothing to do with the UN.

Look, I know the strategy; if I start to try to explain how CAFTA and others denigrate our sovreignty, you will come back with a rejoinder, which in your mind at least, will mean that you have successfully countered my argument.

I simply asked you for the references to the sovereignty and constitutional claims you made. I didn't even argue the point, just ask for a clarification. It's very similar to the global warming enthusiasts. They make a statement about such and such leading to warming, but when asked for references, somehow never have them.

If you didn't like my earlier examples of how it and others will destroy our sovreignty, perhaps you should try to understand why I think they do. To wit; any multi-national agreement (treaty) that sets some non-accountable agency above our own Senate, House, Executive Branch, and Judiciary, will, in my book, detract from our national sovreignty.

I've heard that. But since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, no agreement can supercede it. Nor can any agreement withstand abrogation by Congress or the judiciary if such agreement is not constitutional.

Any agreement is simply as good as the willingness of the parties to honor it. And all agreements are generally made to benefit all signatories, and generally require something from each.

The WTO effectively dictates our domestic farm policy.

It can do nothing we do not consent to. Nor can NAFTA.

258 posted on 01/23/2006 1:33:45 PM PST by MACVSOG68
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