Posted on 01/16/2006 8:32:58 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Recessive genes? That sounds positively evolutionary!
What's a recessive gene?
Just a lot of words about about what MIGHT be going on.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think the same thing can be said about Intelligent Design.
Lots of words about what might be going on.
That is the BIG issue right now. It's in the paper even today....."Vatican paper: Intelligent design not science". The Vatican Newspaper published an article saying that intelligent design is not science and that teaching it alongside evolutionary theory in school classrooms only creates confusion." There is a point there, relative to how it's presented to the students. It's an extremely interesting dilemma in that if you have children of Atheist, which is fine, that's their belief, I won't give my personal thoughts here, or children of Buddist. The teacher teaching ID, even in a neutral manner would have to refer to the Bible or the Torah (I believe) as reference. Then, these children would be confused, and question their own parents judgment and credibility. However, it is one of several explanations for the origin of life etc.......wow....what an interesting discussion that would be over a round table and a lot of coffee, donuts and fruit.....:)
NIV Psalms 104:30
When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.
NIV Psalms 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
Your assessment of the dilemma is right on the money here.
This is why I think that ID is best left out of the public school classrooms where there may be children from all walks of life.
Some of the posts on this thread are ample evidence of what I think would happen in the classroom. Ultimately, the round-table discussion would reach an impasse and the IDers would start throwing out religious quotes from the Bible as retorts to silence dissent.
"Ultimately, the round-table discussion would reach an impasse and the IDers would start throwing out religious quotes from the Bible as retorts to silence dissent."
***** Damn, I would pay money to be there. I am a born again Christian. I fully believe in the Bible, Christ is the son of God, etc. and etc....However, God gave us free will and I respect that. From the Christian and Bible spouting side of me, I just share my belief and thoughts, and that's it. If someone has a belief in the sacred cow, so be it.....I have dated and am "friends" with a wica witch er uh person. We have, in my opinion, :) very interesting discussions over lunch or dinner. I don't judge her, as she has her "beliefs"......and we remain friends. :)) We certainly don't believe in the same way.....(understatement).....but life goes on.....
what to do.....:)
Hey....wait a minute...we aren't supposed to be agreeing here. We're supposed to be yelling and throwing words back and forth.....:)))
I need a drink........It's almost the weekend. I will say that these forums are pretty good and addicting to hear what others are saying. In one forum I had one responder to say, "I'd spit in your face, and bury you" or words to that effect....It was a terrorist issues site.....:)) I think he was a little pissed. I don't think my second wife found me online....:)) lolol.....
Tom
Therein lies the rub...
You participate in those discussions because you freely choose to do so.
But in a classroom, the students are, essentially, hostages who cannot simply leave the discussion if they do not want to be a part of it. And by that, I mean, leave the classroom so they don't have to even listen.
Now, some would say that blade cuts both ways, which is why they want ID in the class. My problem with them that they don't want it discussed as religion, or philosophy, but as scientific alternative to the ToE.
ID is not science.
As some have written, science deals with understanding the natural world. ID deals with the supernatural and as such can only be considered metaphysics because the answers it offers cannot be tested or falsified.
I can't argue that point.......from a neutral perspective which is difficult to sometimes maintain. Again, I do understand that this is where Church comes in.......I know that there are Christians, Baptist TV or such that sells "miracle water", performs healings by placing the hand on the head..this is all crap. It astounds me that 1000's of people sit there and take all this in.....
Yes, Children are captive and I don't believe and we are taught not to force, coerce(spelling), others to be Christian. You just plant the seed and move on.......You have a point there.....
Yeah, what's up with that?! 7;^)
Thanks.
And to show I'm consistent, I don't homosexuality or 'alternative' lifestyles taught for the same reason.
Luckily, the public school my kids attend is sensitive to the concerns of the parents and have been pretty good about letting us know when they're going to be presenting what I consider to be questionable material, such as surveys, etc. and letting us know beforehand to give us the opportunity to pull our kids out.
I recognize that not all schools are so considerate, nor are all parents so lucky.
indeed?
I'll have to refresh my memory of the period.
actually, I'll simply bug a stargazing friend of mine and pick his brains. thanks - I despise inaccuracy in myself at least as much as I do that resident in others.
I concur, with caveats - strict empiricism is ideal for that which is purely empirical, but practical imagining what *might be* requires a somewhat looser frame of mind.
joking......just joking......:)
How would you rate yourself, on a SLIDING SCALE, from 1 to 88?
Don't know if I could do that ojcOCTAVEly.
I never saw this one......Oh, I talked to a friend this evening and she cited an incident in reverse. The parents, Christian parents have been teaching the children that the Bible is correct. The kids get the Evolution spill, and are confused, return home with confusion, and the parents had to reemphasize the creation story.
What to do.......your opinion?
Tom
I never saw this one......Oh, I talked to a friend this evening and she cited an incident in reverse. The parents, Christian parents have been teaching the children that the Bible is correct. The kids get the Evolution spill, and are confused, return home with confusion, and the parents had to reemphasize the creation story.
What to do.......your opinion?
Tom
I never saw this one......Oh, I talked to a friend this evening and she cited an incident in reverse. The parents, Christian parents have been teaching the children that the Bible is correct. The kids get the Evolution spill, and are confused, return home with confusion, and the parents had to reemphasize the creation story.
What to do.......your opinion?
Tom
"Luckily, the public school my kids attend is sensitive to the concerns of the parents and have been pretty good about letting us know when they're going to be presenting what I consider to be questionable material, such as surveys, etc. and letting us know beforehand to give us the opportunity to pull our kids out."
**** Ha.....interesting idea and very effective. However, most schools would be too lazy to do that.....In other words, single that part of the circulm. as special and unique as to announce it's time and ....modify it to the student. or give the Parents ample opportunity to deal with it before the class is taught......good idea.....
The true way to God is very narrow and straight.......his son didn't die for nothing. If a Christian believes that as long as we love one another, then the way to heaven is easy. But, then they can't believe the Bible....It's easy for some, but difficult for others. If I don't like the Muslim belief....or Christian belief...then I can invent my own. "order of the Holy Cow" and as long as I treat everyone with love and tolerance, then I'm going to heaven. However, I can add a few conditions that will make people choose my religion over others so that I can gain more followers......maybe even rule the world and be powerful like all the others.....in about 15-20 years.....I can be the grand pupa......maybe even go to Ghana or Jonestown....:) Jesus is the only way........simple. However, it's not for me to judge or condemn.
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