Drug Task Force nabs 10 (including Libertarian candidate for Boulder County Commissioner)

Colorado Daily ^ | Thursday, January 12, 2006

[presidio9]

The Boulder County Drug Task Force announced Thursday it had arrested 10 people in connection with selling drugs on or near the Pearl Street Mall, including Jeff Christen-Mitchell, a Libertarian candidate for Boulder County Commissioner in 2004.

Christen-Mitchell was charged with one count each of distribution of marijuana; conspiracy to distribute marijuana; possession of marijuana with intent to sell; possession of more than 8 ounces of marijuana and possession of a schedule II controlled substance.

Other defendants facing various charges include Donald McNeese, April Martinez-Laveta, Justin Boyer, Greta Duderstadt, Charles Weddle, Dallas Elviro Dilaura, Diana Stough, Kenneth Finney and Joseph Gulla.

Warrants for the arrest of Daniel Rogers and Jerimiah Jordan, who are at large, were also issued.

A press release from the BCDT said the warrants came as the result of a three-month investigation that “had identified several persons involved in the distribution, and conspiracy to distribute, marijuana and controlled substances.'”

The release said the investigation also netted three search warrants, about $7000 in drug proceeds, 50 ounces of marijuana, 1 ounce of psilocybin mushrooms, assorted prescription drugs and some stolen property.

Authorities said in the release that the Task Force targeted the Pearl Street Mall because of its status as “a shopping, social and work destination for people living in Boulder and the surrounding area” and because “this activity attracts an element of people that detracts from the positive atmosphere of the mall and negatively impacts most people's quality of lifeŠ”

[presidio9]

Make up your mind: will legalizing SAM's make them cheaper and more readily available or not?

[Eagle Eye]

You didn't ask that question of legality's influence on the market price of the SAM.

But in this case, it isn't the the question of legality that makes it too expensive for the common man to own.

Poor, poor example.

Maybe you should think about what would happen if tobacco products were made illegal. Think about the black market supply chain that would spring up. Think about the increased prices, the jail sentences, the turf wars, the bribes, the corrupted police and judicial systems.

That's what we had with alcohol prohibition and that's what we have with marijuana prohibition.

And it seems that you support all of that.

[somniferum]

I see you chose NOT to read the entire thread. Talk to the hand until you do.

Hello hand, can you hear me? Maybe you can help?

Post 93 You Make the Claim

Post 126 you link to a google search of “marijuana erectile”

Post 142 you list seven links, none of which are articles in scientific journals or even have anything to do with your original claim

Please humor me.. if "the evidence is so overwhelming, beginner bio-chemistry stuff", could you post a citation?

[presidio9]

I didn't really care about market price, because it is irrelevant. Legality would make SAMs easier to obtain, no "ifs," "ands," or "buts" about it. And once you start talking about restrictions and regulations you are indicating control measures, and they you are on my side of this discussion.

And do yourself a favor and see if you can go one libertarian thread without bringing up Prohibition. Prohibition took place 70 years ago, and is no longer a useful tool in for analysing modern society or law enforcement techniques.

And while we're at it, see if you can keep your post focused to one general topic. Post as often as you like, but this constant HTML editing is tiresome.

[Marxbites]

Right on Winston.

What ignorant creeps who eschew pot while they all swill booze and beer that factually kill 99.9% more people by disease or accident.

Pot was made illegal because DuPont wanted to sell FDR's Navy their new NyLon (NY & London) thereby obseleting hemp.

Cannabis was available OTC prior.

How can any sane person rail about pot but never mention alcohol that is so much more responsible for dibilitations and human suffering that it was made illegal until FDR decided a beer would taste good?????

No wonder the socialist left gets over on conservatives so often. They pick and choose what choices individuals should have under a Constitution that guaranteed pot's use for almost 150 years.

Another reminder of just how much Americans lost during the FDR dictatorship of corruption and communist appeasement and agrandizement.

Good ole Uncle Joe would be proud of those cheering more Govt statism and fewer rights.

And here I thought Conservatives believed in our pre-30's Constitution of Liberty????

[presidio9]

Um, scientific journals do not bother re-hashing this any more than they run articles about how people without legs can not walk. I did the next best thing: I found 560,000 reputible sources establishing this as accepted truth. BTW, one was from Brown University. Here's one from Cornell

http://www.cornellurology.com/cornell/sexualmedicine/ed/evaluation.shtml

University of Nebraska

http://www.unl.edu/health/services/marijuana.html

University of Iowa

http://www.uiu.edu/residential/student_life/wellness/dat/marijuana.html

I know that you are having a hard time handling the truth, but unless you can find, somebody -anybody- asying this is not the case, you ought to just let it go. What do you care if you can't get it up, am I right? You'll be to high to notice anyway.

[winston2]

BTW, one was from Brown University. Here's one from Cornell

I read the material you had links to and it caused me no alarm or paranoia.

Now - "Viox" , "Fen Phen" and "Aspirin" have been proven to cause death so I try and go herbal if at all possible.

Thanks for the heads up on ED - but - my wife says "no problem in that area". That's after 32 years of testing the qualities of cannabis. I'll continue the tests - to make sure the world is safe.

[winston2]

And here I thought Conservatives believed in our pre-30's Constitution of Liberty????

I am convinced that many in this nation who identify themselves with being "conservative" don't realize that conservative=less government. That is regrettable and I would love to see the day they wake up and DEMAND less government. The problem is that if and when that day ever arrives - we've still got all those trillion dollar debts to pay for from the expanded government days. Personally - I think God will pull the rug on us before that happens.

[sausageseller]

I have used it. Thank God I quit.

All your observations are what you think, not reality. Not real, because the feelings and thoughts you have while stoned are fake.

Don't you find a problem with your thoughts about being stoned are the same as a crack head and heroin addict?

[cryptical]

I know that you are having a hard time handling the truth, but unless you can find, somebody -anybody- asying this is not the case, you ought to just let it go. What do you care if you can't get it up, am I right? You'll be to high to notice anyway.

You can't prove your assertion, so you want him to prove that you're wrong? That's not the way it works in the real world, only in the fantasy world of Drug Warriors.

Nice ad hominem though.

[winston2]

Don't you find a problem with your thoughts about being stoned are the same as a crack head and heroin addict?

No - Those substances are in a totally different league. There have been some documentaries on TV lately that showed interviews with crack and heroin users. Cocaine and heroin are both MAJOR addictive and deadly to the body. Cannabis is not addictive and is not deadly - you can't even consume enough of it to go unconscious. There are no behavior problems with cannabis that are dangerous to society either.

It's time for the fed.s to end the war against cannabis users. We will all benefit.

[sausageseller]

There are no behavior problems with cannabis that are dangerous to society either.

Just not true . A lot of people commit crimes while stoned. I have seen plenty of concert sites damaged by stoned people. The idea pot heads just get their jones on and do nothing is silly!

[Eagle Eye]

And do yourself a favor and see if you can go one libertarian thread without bringing up Prohibition. Prohibition took place 70 years ago, and is no longer a useful tool in for analysing modern society or law enforcement techniques.

I can see why you'd prefer not discussing alcohol prohibition because it was an irrefutable failure and is the current model for the failed WoD.

As far a s focus, you brought up SAMs without explaining why and then tried to make a case that 'legalizing' them would lower the price. I don't think that you can substantiate that but I'll let you try. There isn't common man market for them just as there isn't a common man market for H-2's because most people can't lay out the cash for them.

But your premise is correct, legalizing *could* make them more affordable, just as legalizing pot would lower the price, remove the risk remove the huge artificial profits, remove the violence, remove the corruption, etc. Legalizing pot, just as alcohol was legalized 70 years ago, would remove much of the crime involved in the manufacture and distirbution of it.

And if some minor html is too tough for you, you should realize that if you just type without any html you will get a correct posting. But if a couple tags is too much then you are just too lazy to be here.

[little jeremiah]

I favor the same plan for alcohol. Brew your own, or leave it alone. No one can accuse me of being partial.

As far as doctor prescribed mind altering drugs, that's a whole 'nother world. Can't address that at the moment. Too snake filled and horrible.

[Marxbites]

Let's ban sharp knives!!!!!

American children see on TV everyday, references to drug use by stars, athletes, politricksters and other functional and responsible adults. It is saturated in our culture. And is largely due to the do-gooders in name only, nanny-statism big govt usurpers of the people's rights. Style crampers all, from the proinhibtionists to the cabal that wants all religion gone. Those so self important that their way is the only way.

Is it ever going to sink in that the more we demand from govt, the closer we get to tyranny???

Those who will seek escape thru substances will do so with whatever is available, EXCEPT that the Majority of pot users that don't already drink, don't become alcoholics or crackheads when pot is scarce or they quit.

America's core and creed at one time equated to: "harm no man, then do as you will".

Govt stifles the good works men might otherwise voluntarily do for his fellows. Especially when he feels he's already paying too dear a price for Govt to take care of it at a cost multiple to which he could have accomplished it himself.

Reagan, in largest part, understood that GOVT is almost ALWAYS the source of society's problems. The creations of the central planners like Hoover, FDR, LBJ and others who see Govt as society's saviour, only do so for the short term benefit to their power, in the name of good, with total disregard to the long term unintended consequences of their follies.

The opportunity cost to the average American's intergenerational wealth accumulation of their capital, instead squandered by greedy New Dealer types for the past 100 years, must be gargantuan. Imagine that every dollar wasted by Govt doing the things the Founders eschewed they spend the people's purse on, had instead been market rate compounding within the families that earned it, for the past hundred years. I'd guess the majority of us would be maybe 200-300% better off than we are now at the very least!

Inflation by the Fed has also taken it's pounds of flesh from the people's wealth in opportunity cost and manages to chase it's tail creating every boom and bust cycle since it's inception. Remarkable it and income taxes were created just in time to pay for the World War Wilson promised we wouldn't enter and didn't have to either BTW.

This country has been turned into a pustule of corruption, specifically because the PEOPLE were too stupid to see the folly of Marx still promoted by today's "progressives".

Our ignorant grand and great grandfathers let Govt's own economic treachery fool them into thinking free markets were the problem as Marxians propagandized. And so did the captains of industry who knew better, but cared not, as long as Govt regulated and protected their profits.

And through it all we have an even more powerful elite than otherwise would have been, that uses the sweat of common tax payers to fill their bank accounts with Govt largesse.

Some of you Freepers here sully the very name by virtue of your support of ANY statism whatsoever - hypocrites or worse.

[Eagle Eye]

Hi Preacher, I'm Choir!

[Marxbites]

Just how many new laws does it exactly take to make up for all the bad ones passed?

As a country, hopefully, we may be heading back to the freedoms we once owned. The illiberal Marx influenced SCOTUS, (greedy pols and ignorant people worldwide saw the power & "comfort" achievable in Marx's plan) since about the ICC's creation, and have consistently made law from the bench designed to give govt ever more of the people's right's, particularly the economic. Ever more power to tax and spend for no better purpose than buying votes.

Roberts and Alito, we can only hope, ACTUALLY will do something to reverse the egregious previous socialist/fascist and unconstitutional progressive judicial fiats inspired by Marx - who's blueprint, BTW, was also followed by Socialist Germany BEFORE WW1 by Bismark.

America's "progressive" era was imported from directly from Socialist Germany.

This is the very source of today's deviciveness, bickering over who gets what, when the real, and pivotal issue is WHO PLANS WHOM!!!!

[presidio9]

I read the material you had links to and it caused me no alarm or paranoia.

Wasn't intended to. Someone mentioned how great sex on pot was. I pointed out that this effect has accepted diminishing returns. One of you idiots demanded proof. I gave it. What is it about you people that you can't keep up with what's going on?

[presidio9]

You can't prove your assertion, so you want him to prove that you're wrong? That's not the way it works in the real world, only in the fantasy world of Drug Warriors.

I did prove my point. You didn't like it. That can't be helped. I am content to let people read the crazy end-result of libertarianism, which is legalized heroin and surface to air missles.

And, BTW, call conservatives whatever you like, but the term drug-warrior is just plain stupid. It implies that I am on the side of drugs. Were the Condeferate soldiers "Emancipation Warriors?"

[presidio9]

It has nothing to do with laziness. I am merely responding to the common pattern of these threads. Which is that a half-dozen hazy-brained drugs addicts suddenly appear and begin making the same points. Talk about laziness! What is it with you people and your ability to change bong water or read through an entire thread before you post?

As it stands, it is enough for me that you people nicely demonstrated the insane luck behind libertarianism.