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To: ARCADIA

On another thread there was a knowledgeable analysis of the shell, pointing to its non-NATO origins, due especially to the single brass ring at the bottom; we apparently use two. Also, the rifling of the brass indicates it was fired. Some artillery knowledgeable Freepers disavowed it as ours.

I've searched hundreds of internet photos to track that round, and I can't find it. Our 155's regularly come up with the double brass rings, lots of English lettering, a somewhat different profile, etc.

The Pakis may have fired an indigenous shell. The shell may have been a leftover of the Soviets in Afghanistan. In any case, it ain't from a Predator. The photo is a dud artillery round fired through a tube, not an air launched missile.


7 posted on 01/15/2006 7:32:07 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Surrender! - Vote Democrat.)
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To: Brad Cloven

Roger that. The Soviets used 152mm shells like that. I don't know if the Pakistanis shelled the village and blamed it on US, or if they had a smattering of old shells around in boobytraps as a defense against ground assualt, a common enough thing for guerillas or terrorists to do when they think someone is out to get them.

My understanding is that some 11 terrorists were waxed, but the primary one was running late, and the party started without him.


9 posted on 01/15/2006 7:35:56 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: Brad Cloven
The shell may have been a leftover of the Soviets in Afghanistan

It was a dud Soviet 152mm artillery round.

10 posted on 01/15/2006 7:39:12 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Brad Cloven
Is it this one? A 3VOF81 122mm Russian round? It has the same size and shape and has the single rifling ring at the bottom just above the boat-tail, and appears here with the fuse installed (the picture in the NYT has it removed).
35 posted on 01/15/2006 9:07:58 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Brad Cloven; 1stFreedom; Redleg Duke; SAMWolf; archy; I got the rope; 300winmag; cavtrooper21; ...
122mm?
49 posted on 01/18/2006 11:32:41 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Move fast, shoot straight, and let the counselors sort it out ten years from now.)
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