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Alito and the Catholics (The decline of an institution and the rise of its ideas)
The Weekly Standard ^ | January 23, 2006 | Joseph Bottum

Posted on 01/14/2006 8:13:49 PM PST by RWR8189

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To: RWR8189

The only reason that the above-named Senators call themselves "Catholics" is because nobody has ever heard of - or cared about - the importance of the "Episcopalian vote". I have as much right to call myself "Senator" as they do to call themselves "Catholics". The central building block of their entire political structure is the legalized murder of the unborn. The live in dread of the day Roe is overturned and the matter is returned to be decided by the various state legislatures because they know it will be shown that the majority of Americans do not support it. I think these phonies will also be less likely to try to use their "Catholic" status for electoral purposes in the future because they, rightly, expect that Pope Benedict will mince no words in putting them in their place. It's not that they care what the Pople thinks, but they know it will drive away the few remaining ignorant Catholic voters they might still have.


21 posted on 01/15/2006 6:35:40 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: RWR8189

Excellent article. What amazed me in the hearings and in reading Alito's Dissents was how conditioned Kennedy and Schumer were to 'emotional reasoning' - as evidenced by the silly rendering of the "strip search of a 12 year old" compared to the the principled reasoning of Judge Alito.


22 posted on 01/15/2006 8:14:56 AM PST by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Chickensoup

I think you make an excellent point. Rural Newfoundland (my starting point) is full of the products of the old Catholic education system. Some of that legacy was undesirable, but everyone can read, and can handle very complex theological concepts.Meeting a fisherman who can still read latin, and tell you about Horace is an interesting tribute to the skills of the old Church.

It could be that a thoughtful examination of that system with a view to re-instate the benefical aspects of it is overdue.


23 posted on 01/15/2006 10:34:48 AM PST by Threepwood
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To: RWR8189
From my perch, the Catholic Evangelical alliance is very strong.

For instance, the Protestant ministers in this small town area are much more content with the Alito nomination vs the Miers (Evangelical) nomination despite the fact that the SCOTUS will be predominately Catholic when Alito is confirmed. That is amazing in itself when you look at the history of small town America and the relationship between Protestants and Catholics.

Despite the sweeping generalization by this author that Catholics are better educated than Evangelicals, there are many Evangelicals who would more than qualify for a seat. I find this implication divisive and damaging.

On the other hand, if the next nominee is once again a Catholic, we shall see what that means for the alliance and what the implications are for Evangelicals seeking nomination.

24 posted on 01/15/2006 11:19:04 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus

I now see the Church as our Velveeta coccoon, from which we eventually emerge into our adult state as Christians.


25 posted on 01/15/2006 2:23:26 PM PST by firebrand
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To: RobbyS; Petronski; RWR8189; firebrand; Coleus; Cacique; NYer; Do not dub me shapka broham; ...
The bricks-and-mortar Catholicism of the last hundred years--the intense desire of all those hard-working immigrants to build a visible monument of parishes, schools, hospitals, and orphanages--may well have disappeared by the time the total damage is calculated.

Those "brick and mortar" institutions have been dying, if not dead, since the era of upward mobility/white flight of the immediate post-war era. In NYC, you can see two Catholic Churches but two blocks from one another, which are nearly empty at 11AM on Sunday. Why should such structure be kept open if there are no parishioners or even potential parioshioners?

Which brings us to another aspect of "Catholic" upward mobility not mentioned by the author: declining religiosity of newly affluent Catholics. For people such as my father and mother, the Church represented the world of row houses, corner taverns, authoritarian nuns, and blue collar frustration. Affluence "liberated" them from that world. The Church for folks like my parents (and there are MANY like them) represents a "throwback" to a down-marker world that they have no desire to return to.

As far as the Church become a national joke, let's be real. The Church has a SERIOUS image problem. When one mentions the Catholic Church to the average man in the street, do they think Bells of St. Mary or do they think of Pervert Priests?

26 posted on 01/15/2006 2:54:14 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Clemenza

pervert priests and irrelevant,boring homilies


27 posted on 01/15/2006 2:56:09 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: Galveston Grl

I am reminded of the statement that "God will not be mocked!". While these "fallen" apostates will continue on for a few years, in the scheme of life, they and their efforts will be forgotten.


28 posted on 01/15/2006 4:05:35 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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When one mentions the Catholic Church to the average man in the street, do they think Bells of St. Mary or do they think of Pervert Priests?

Old Media successfully created an association between Catholic priest and pedophile (America's worst monster) in the minds of many.
29 posted on 01/15/2006 4:17:18 PM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: Clemenza

Affluence also "liberated" them from children. We have the paradox of 4,000 square foot houses with six bedrooms and garages for four cars including SUVs that haul 8 people; this for a family with one or two children.


30 posted on 01/15/2006 4:17:53 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Milhous

"Old media" also has demonized the Boy Scouts, who successfully fought pedophilia by excluding gays from leadership positions.


31 posted on 01/15/2006 4:20:31 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


32 posted on 01/19/2006 6:33:59 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Emmet Fitzhume

>>To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.<<

God Bless you.
May I borrow this as my new tagline?


33 posted on 01/19/2006 6:38:52 AM PST by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: RWR8189
the Catholic Church is a national joke.

No, AmChurch is a national joke. The Roman Catholic Church, under the leadership of Pope Benedict XVI is doing just fine.
34 posted on 01/19/2006 6:52:22 AM PST by Antoninus (The greatest gift parents can give their children is siblings.)
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To: Cicero
It's the self-educated Catholics who are doing it, with the help of journals like First Things and of a few groups behind the scenes, such as the Association of Catholic Scholars and Opus Dei.

Exactly. If anything, the AmChurch bishops conference is a hindrance. They're too busy endorsing gay cowboy movies.
35 posted on 01/19/2006 6:54:02 AM PST by Antoninus (The greatest gift parents can give their children is siblings.)
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To: Threepwood
Interesting story! Here's another tribute to education in the old days -

Rudyard Kipling and a professor friend were driving about the countryside in Vermont, discussing philosophy. They stopped to water their horse, and continued their discussion. The professor remarked, "As Montaigne said . . ." and quoted something. The farmer looked up from the water bucket and said, "'Tweren't Montaigne that said that - 'twas Mon-TES-kee-ew." And of course it was.

36 posted on 01/19/2006 7:12:49 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: RWR8189

**Catholicism is the most visible public philosophy in America, and the Catholic Church is a national joke.**

A question for the author:

Then why is the Catholic Church growing so much? Your reasoning is seive-like.


37 posted on 01/19/2006 8:20:31 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: RWR8189

What's ironic is that some of us have learned in Alito's confirmation hearing that both Kennedy and Durbin were once staunch pro-lifers.


38 posted on 01/19/2006 8:20:50 AM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: NapkinUser
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39 posted on 01/19/2006 8:23:25 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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