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Local Insurgents Tell of Clashes With Al Qaeda's Forces in Iraq
New York Times ^ | 1/12/06 | SABRINA TAVERNISE and DEXTER FILKINS

Posted on 01/12/2006 3:24:30 PM PST by lancer

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 11 - The story told by the two Iraqi guerrillas cut to the heart of the war that Iraqi and American officials now believe is raging inside the Iraqi insurgency. In October, the two insurgents said in interviews, a group of local fighters from the Islamic Army gathered for an open-air meeting on a street corner in Taji, a city north of Baghdad. Across from the Iraqis stood the men from Al Qaeda, mostly Arabs from outside Iraq. Some of them wore suicide belts. The men from the Islamic Army accused the Qaeda fighters of murdering their comrades. "Al Qaeda killed two people from our group," said an Islamic Army fighter who uses the nom de guerre Abu Lil and who claimed that he attended the meeting. "They repeatedly kill our people."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 20threvbrigade; abulil; abumusabalzarqawi; alqaeda; hekmatmumtazalbaz; insurgency; iraq; islamicarmy; mesopotamia; muhammadsarmy; salimalsamarrai; sunnitriangle; waleedalsamarrai
Crack in the wall?
1 posted on 01/12/2006 3:24:32 PM PST by lancer
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To: lancer

Hot red-on-red action! Only $6.95 a month!


2 posted on 01/12/2006 3:28:50 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: lancer
I think Al Qaeda has squandered all their 9/11 "good will".
3 posted on 01/12/2006 3:29:34 PM PST by Gator101
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To: Gordongekko909

Blue on blue is tragedy, red on red is comedy.


4 posted on 01/12/2006 3:49:47 PM PST by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: lancer
If U.S. forces leave Iraq now, there will be a big civil war there and many more will die.

We should leave, let them kill each other, then go back in and "mop up".

5 posted on 01/12/2006 3:51:19 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: lancer

Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" comes to mind.


6 posted on 01/12/2006 3:52:10 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: lancer

These clowns are hopeless and havn't a clue on anything. I hope they just continue to kill one another then it will all be over. Hey, Praise Allah for this one....


7 posted on 01/12/2006 4:03:44 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Supernatural
"If U.S. forces leave Iraq now, there will be a big civil war there and many more will die.

We should leave, let them kill each other, then go back in and "mop up".

That would be a foolish idea, unless you really want to destabilize the ME even more than it is now or to increase distrust of US political goals.

8 posted on 01/12/2006 4:07:04 PM PST by randomnumber (I have no excuse for my behavior; do you?)
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To: randomnumber
You are right, they are so trustful of U.S. goals now that we wouldn't want to jeopardize all that "trust".
9 posted on 01/12/2006 4:12:00 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural
I'm not necessarily talking about the Iraqis.

How about the rest of the world.

Making a commitment and standing by it comes to mind.

10 posted on 01/12/2006 4:18:05 PM PST by randomnumber (I have no excuse for my behavior; do you?)
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To: randomnumber
Do you mean Iran, Syria, Egypt, Malaysia, etc.? Or the sane part of the world?
11 posted on 01/12/2006 4:30:27 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural
Since I haven't been to all parts of the world, I'm not sure how to respond to that, but how about looking at it this way.

We built a coalition of nations willing to back our play in Iraq based partially on a premise that we would remove a despot and bring some stability. If we abandon them now, it probably would be more difficult to gather allies in case we ever needed to do something similar.

12 posted on 01/12/2006 4:41:48 PM PST by randomnumber (I have no excuse for my behavior; do you?)
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To: randomnumber
What coalition of nations? The ones who already trust us, like Great Britain? France? A few nations send a few troops. Some have already cut and run.

Our friends are already our friends, and our enemies are already our enemies. "East is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet".

13 posted on 01/12/2006 4:52:05 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural
Iraq Coalition Troops
Non-US Forces in Iraq - 16 August 2005

The size and capabilities of the Coalition forces involved in operations in Iraq has been a subject of much debate, confusion, and at times exageration. As of July 1, 2005, there were 26 non-U.S. military forces participating in the coalition and contributing to the ongoing stability operations throughout Iraq. These countries were: Albania, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Mongolia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, United Kingdom, and Ukraine.

Much more info at:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm

14 posted on 01/12/2006 4:57:51 PM PST by randomnumber (I have no excuse for my behavior; do you?)
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To: randomnumber
And exactly how many troops do these 26 countries have, combined, in Iraq to support us? If you take away England and its troops, how many would be left? Twenty five troops from a country does not sound like much "support" to me.

However, I do understand your point and I hope you understand mine. We are not alone, in theory, but in practice, we pretty much are. Just like at the U.N. where the U.S. pays about 90% of the budget for the approximately 144 "member" nations, who do nothing but mostly sponge off of us.

15 posted on 01/12/2006 5:15:15 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: lancer

Pakistani’s certainly seem to get around. If there is a terror hotspot a connection to Pakistan will emerge sooner than later.

From the NYT article you posted :

Quote:
The meeting was held in a farmhouse in Mosul, he said. About 25 men from Al Qaeda attended. Several appeared to be from Pakistan. Some spoke Arabic so poorly that they had to speak through a translator.

The discussion dragged on for seven hours, he said, but did not go well. The local insurgents demanded that the foreigners from Al Qaeda leave Iraq.
Unquote


16 posted on 01/12/2006 9:44:55 PM PST by Qaz_W
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