Raising the volume on what men think about feminism

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[luckystarmom]

I think that if John remarries and doesn't have kids, then I think the new mom would be good.

I think the odds are against the new mom loving her daughter like her own child if the new mom has her own children.

If I was in the same situation, I wouldn't chance it. Women change once they have babies.

I am biased here a lot by listening to Dr. Laura. People always call in about stuff like this. She's always talks about this kind of thing on her show, and she says it ususally isn't a good thing.

I think the key to what you were saying is that you were grown. You didn't have someone else trying to raise you that wasn't your own biological parent.

It would sure take a special woman.

[Melas]

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The worst scenerio for a child is a single parent home. A child needs a mother and a father if at all possible.

[Windcatcher]

"Where is the natural male protective instinct?"

SCREEEEAAAAAMMMMMMMM

You know, not all of us guys have type "A" personalities (or even type "B", *especially* if we're engineers, i.e. former high-school smart types who are used to being ridiculed by the prettier classes of society). We don't all stand on a mountaintop like God's Greatest Gift(tm) waiting for some brave lady to come and bask in our brilliance. It might just be that some of are just as confused and scared as everyone else, maybe even more so. No, I haven't been burned by anyone, but after some of the horror stories of my friends (some self-inflicted) that I've at least learned the value of caution (you might say I've learned it too well -- grin). You shouldn't necessarily attribute to arrogance, haughtiness, or neglect what can be attributed to mere terror. Some of us have simply had it ingraned in us since our earliest years to keep our heads down and our mouths shut :^)

[HairOfTheDog]

I wasn't all the way grown... I was 14. The worst, most impossible, unreasonable, unlikable age there is ;~D But I was accepted as an integral part of the new marriage.

I disagree with Dr. Laura on this. It's one of those issues she is a ramrod about that there is no cut and dried 'one" answer for. Clearly, the way a prospective wife bonded with JohnOs daughter should be a major criteria for whether it was a good match.

[luckystarmom]

Well, it seems you've had practical experience, and I haven't. It's always better to hear someone's real experience because they usually know better.

But I will add that your step-dad must have been a very special man!

[najida]

Fair enough,
I'll ignore you too.

Like that'll be hard ;)

[HairOfTheDog]

He was. Both he and my mom are gone now, but I'm soooo glad she had him.

[SuzyQue]

Great response.

[najida]

I agree with you to a certain degree...
but I was writing from a female perspective.

We can love two ways,
because we talk ourselves into doing it....
and just because it's there....we know that they are right from almost the first moment.

I've done both.

I'll never, ever, ever talk myself into it again. Choosing works for some people, but for others, it's choosing hell for both parties.

[najida]

I'm looking for a younger man too. Men my age are such fuddy duddies :) ;)

[hinckley buzzard]

The feminist view of relationships with men is essentially materialistic.

1.My women patients say they "don't really like men, but find that they need them around."

2.Why is it that so many men won't commit?

Two utterances by a female social worker "psychotherapist," about ten minutes apart, with no sign of the faintest recognition of the implications of what she had just said.

[JasonC]

So far it seems to be. Very early you enter the thread pretending you'd just rather be elsewhere, but obviously here you are, still. Why? Because you are a feminist activist engaged in agitprop, and nothing it more important to you. Very sad, really. Now let's try a little test, and see if you can shut up, or not. I'm betting not.

[najida]

Of course I'd rather be elsewhere....but I've got stuff I'm doing here....I actually do contribute to society...sometimes from here.

And I have to mutitask to keep my mind occupied.

Sugar, YOU labled me a feminist. All the rage you feel for me is in your own head darlin'.

OK, OK,

You're right,
I'm on the board of NOW, I have a dart board with Bruce Willis on it, I look like Tom Seleck in drag, I don't shave my legs, all my dogs are lesbians, all my male cats are castrated, I only eat tofu, I hug trees and I infiltrated FR to destroy the Republic!

How'm I doin' so far?

[hinckley buzzard]

Increasingly American men marry women from a traditional society such as Japan, Korea or Saudi Arabia. Perhaps there is a message there.

Because they want a power differential in their marriage. They want a lesser, not a partner.

Concern over a "power differential" in an intimate relationship is the first sign of socialist distortion and feminist contamination. It reveals a failure to comprehend that some of the best relationships are complementary, not symmetrical. The archetype of a "symmetrical" relationship is an arms race--where the "power differential" is minimal. Sort of like what happened with WWII "partners" US and USSR.

[HairOfTheDog]

Concern over a "power differential" in an intimate relationship is the first sign of socialist distortion and feminist contamination. It reveals a failure to comprehend that some of the best relationships are complementary, not symmetrical.

And it's also true that controlling, dominating personalities often choose meeker, weaker 'partners' that won't give them any 'trouble'.

[JasonC]

You're not. You are supposed to be having fun, or doing something important here, but instead you are too busy trying to be cute and have the last word. You just can't bear the thought of shutting up and leaving other people alone - even though your original post pretended that's all you wanted.

[HairOfTheDog]

You just can't bear the thought of shutting up and leaving other people alone

You have an odd idea for what the purpose of a forum is. :~D

[JasonC]

Yep, here I thought this was a thread about an article on raising the volume on men's opinions about feminism, and then I also thought conservatives might discuss ways to roll back the ravages of feminism. And then some here took it upon themselves to play feminist PC thought police chasing after conservative opinions about feminism, and to denounce the headaches those gave them, and to express a desire to be elsewhere doing anything else instead. A desire I heartedly second, wishing them to be elsewhere and doing anything else instead. And they pretend to concur, not wanting to have anything to do with me. You can tell, because they are all elsewhere doing something else instead - nope, whoops, they won't leave. They hang around for years like luggage, reading through 615 posts, screeching their attempts to get in their last word and parade their PC ness and censor conservatives for having the gall to denounce feminist nutjobs on a conservative forum. Well the purpose of this site is to promote conservatism, and feminism is not conservatism but a destructive Stalinist ideology being pushed by the worst sorts of people, with vast negative consequences. And no, PC Stalinists are not going to run any of it. They are going to go away without shutting up the opponents of feminism, perhaps for the first time in their lives. Cause I'll be here until doomsday, calling them the jackasses they are.

[HairOfTheDog]

Blah blah blah - I made no promises to leave, and Najida changed her mind. So what? It's a forum. Responses are it's raison d'etre.

I've been having pretty good discussion with other FReepers.... just like any thread. I'm interested in talking to other FReepers about actually being and showing good attitudes toward marriage and relationships. Several of us had quite pleasant discussions indeed. Discussions that show there is indeed a lot of hope for marriage in this country.

Meanwhile, you're just like a belligerant drunk at the end of the bar, ranting away at anyone within earshot. I think dear, that you are the screeching one :~D

[JasonC]

And I'll tell you want I'd like to hear instead. I'd like any feminist - in world history - to admit the destruction feminism has caused. To admit even a tenth of it. Without evasion, without weaseling, without taking it back in the act in non-denial denial. I'd like somebody to say they are very sorry, and mean it. I'd like anybody to admit they were told so. And to apologize to those who did the telling, for treating them so god-awfully, simply for seeing the truth and some of the disasters before they had completely arrived.

I'd like to hear conservative women who now know better, decry the ravages of feminism themselves. I'd like to hear them comment on what it has been like. On how poorly feminists have treated them. On how said feminists do not speak for said conservative women, and never have. I'd like somebody, I really don't much care who, to acknowledge the truly awful and unjust things said of and done to modern men in America, in the name of this ridiculous heresy. I'd like to hear some hearty assigning of blame from those who can hold themselves blameless in the matter, and some hearty contrition from those who can't.

I'd like to hear some acknowledgement of the errors of ways of the recent past, and too much so still of the present. I'd like to hear some genuine reform, some swearing up and down not to do it again. I'd like somebody to acknowledge how world historically reckless and selfish and stupid it has all been, and who has paid the highest price for it. (I mean of course our children).

And if instead I hear about how any of that makes some harridan want some more aspirin, then I want to hear a rousing chorus from conservatives everywhere, kicking said harridan to the curb. I'd even like to hear an I'm sorry for two from said harridans themselves. Not to me, to the world at large for the ravages of the feminism they so lightly and thoughtlessly defend. My wishes, however, are not horses. I breath normally. And I defy them all.